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Message posted at 09/26/2009, 19:49:37 PM by Z71redroot |
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Archilles....I am new to this site. I have always been told by strangers, family, and friends that I should sell my photos. I do landscape, animals, and intense cloud formations. I was excited to join Dreamstime...but after receiving a refusal for more than 50 images that have been noted excellent by locals, I have spent hours crying and wondering if I missed the boat somehow and if I have any talent at all. I don't understand or comprehend half of the refusal reason, and I feel like just giving up and deleting my account. I have loved photography for more than 20 years...I live, breathe, eat, and sleep photography! But now I feel like I have been wasting my time. I know you are extremely busy...but your input would be so helpful! I am blind to the path lying before me..and quite frankly my heart is broken! |
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Message posted at 09/26/2009, 20:01:30 PM by Z71redroot |
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Archilles....I am new to this site. I have always been told by strangers, family, and friends that I should sell my photos. I do landscape, animals, and intense cloud formations. I was excited to join Dreamstime...but after receiving a refusal for more than 50 images that have been noted excellent by locals, I have spent hours crying and wondering if I missed the boat somehow and if I have any talent at all. I don't understand or comprehend half of the refusal reason, and I feel like just giving up and deleting my account. I have loved photography for more than 20 years...But now I feel like I have been wasting my time. I know you are extremely busy...but your input would be so helpful! I am blind to the path lying before me..and quite frankly my heart is broken! |
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Message edited at 09/26/2009, 20:44:54 PM by Red |
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If I may offer an opinion... Fine Art Photography and Stock Photography differ greatly. Commercial stock photographs are used in ads, promotional brochures, posters, etc. that advertise and/or endorse products or services. Travel, landscape, nature photos are not big sellers in the world of stock photography. Yes, your images may be beautiful but can they sell a product, an idea, a current trend? How can clouds be used in a marketing campaign? Much of commercial stock is contemporary and cutting edge - advertisers are always looking for that next big idea. Business images sell well. Have you played the Stock Rank Game to see what sells?
Regarding your images that have been accepted - there are 1,965 images of bulldogs, is yours special? There are 12,172 images of tulips and 114,925 sunsets. What sets your images apart from all those others? You have an image simply titled "Single Pink Blossom" with only 10 general keywords, it certainly won't sell if you can't even identify the flower by name.
Here is an article that might offer some further insights -
Microstock Tips |
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Message posted at 09/27/2009, 03:35:16 AM by Julia161 |
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Just curious how you'd comment this portfolio which all consists of huge series of similar images. |
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Message posted at 09/27/2009, 11:27:27 AM by Z71redroot |
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Thank you so much, Red, for taking the time to answer and explain my concern and questions. I now understand a little more of the images that work and the ones that don't--not to mention the why's behind it all. With this new information I realize I need to re-evaluate my goals in selling my photography and see if they match what dreamstime can provide me with. Thank you again so much! I sincerely appreciate it! |
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Message posted at 12/21/2009, 00:07:25 AM by Katzilioness |
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I agree that too many pictures confuse the client. In my work I have seen if I deliver to many shots of the subject the best ones might be overseen and others are chosen by web designer or editor leading to to the client being not quite satisfied so I end up making a tight selection anyway in the end . The shots they wanted were there just was overseen.
BUT recently I was asked by my husbands firm to design several pamphlets on a tight budget in short amount of time. I had some pictures that were used but we needed some additional food shots. So instead of having the chef buy and cook the food ( in this case sea food, eggs, fruit plate, meat I thought it was easier, faster, cheaper and much less hassle ( they did in the end to download them from dreamstime. After more then one hour I found one shot that worked and I down loaded it. I found other pics for the subjects I was looking for but I needed them in horizontal format for the template I was using and they were all vertical shots. (After another hour online I decided to prepare the simple foods and shoot them myself - they wanted fried eggs with perfect yokes and none I found were perfect enough or the right angle and lacked the desired garnish of a green chili and Mexican stile Napkin - I used several cartons of eggs to get the yokes even close to perfect.) This happened to me before so I always tried to shoot both Horizontal and vertical naturally one will be better composition wise but sometimes both are usable and good. So one argument for at least uploading at least 2 files of the same subject on horizontal one vertical and a small one for small variations like fork no fork, red wine white wine - things I have been asked for " We really like this shot but we would like flowers on the table instead of the fruit basket, " " We like the angle of the shot of this particular beach but we would like it during the day instead of sunset." " do you have a shot where the couple is holding hands. " So some variations might help sales because they fit the idea of the client better. |
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Message posted at 12/21/2009, 01:40:18 AM by Katzilioness |
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| Quoted Message: Archilles....I am new to this site. I have always been told by strangers, family, and friends that I should sell my photos. I do landscape, animals, and intense cloud formations. I was excited to join Dreamstime...but after receiving a refusal for more than 50 images that have been noted excellent by locals, I have spent hours crying and wondering if I missed the boat somehow and if I have any talent at all. I don't understand or comprehend half of the refusal reason, and I feel like just giving up and deleting my account. I have loved photography for more than 20 years...But now I feel like I have been wasting my time. I know you are extremely busy...but your input would be so helpful! I am blind to the path lying before me..and quite frankly my heart is broken! |
Same happened to me My first 50 pics. got rejected Let me share with you what I have learned in my first year ( I have the same camera that you have ) Your pictures look like they were shot at an overcast day. If you live in a place that has more cloudy weather most your pictures will lack some brilliance. The D80 takes super brilliant pictures in SUNLIGHT that is true for all cameras I suppose. I have it easy where I live It is close to the equator and almost always sunny.
The best day to shoot is a sunny day with not to much wind because the wind will pick up dust and the sky will not be brilliant. So If the sun is out give your camera a priority. Also a more professional external flash like an SB 600 or SB 800 for Nikon will help with lighting. a little booklet about lighting and reading the manual will help you use it. First rule of Photography or Film school is read the manual
The D80 has some manual settings that can help you as well put your camera on manual the the M on the little wheel on top then press the menu button select the green camera from there you scroll down to white balance there you can set it on the correct setting for flash or shade or full sunlight and so on That gives
you an extra edge sometimes But it requires that you learn to shoot in manual mode. You might already know this I am just saying.
Also landscapes and animal pictures even the most outstanding do not sell so much in stock photography but lots of photographers want to sell them. there are some real outstanding Landscape and wildlife photographers on dreamstime ( I am a fan ) but you will see that they might have good sales but not as many as mediocre photographers with a different subject matter that have learned to isolate images.
Children and grandparents, food shots people doing, something specific will sell. Stock sites of course know this and have probably a quota of only accepting so many a day or a week.
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Message posted at 04/28/2010, 13:37:24 PM by Joezachs |
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The information given here will help. |
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Message posted at 07/28/2010, 20:10:32 PM by Jjmcge |
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When I first started submitting photos for microstock, I was very dissapointed by my rejection rate. Then I decided that I absolutely had to think about what it was the evaluators were seeing. I looked at nothing but the best images here on DT. I started in my own mind trying to evaluate what about those images made them special. I realized soon that I was being lazy about so many things first was focus. I soon learned how to balance fstops with shutterspeed. I even learned how to hold the camera and when to give up and use a tripod. I, too, was extremely frustrated by my attempts to get a good focus. Then I would look at a fuzzy picture and find that the shutterspeed had been 1/15 on auto. As I went along I gradually increased my skills until things started getting accepted. I also had to learn what a stock photograph was compared to a really nice standard picture. Now I still have a small portfolio but the views are going up and almost everything has sold. Some files are moving up in rank. I think the important thing is to study what is coming out of your camera ruthlessly. That is what has helped me. |
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Message posted at 01/17/2011, 21:24:12 PM by Picturesbyme |
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I only saw this blog now and while it has - generalized - good points, I disagree with some. I don't mean to hurt ppl and won't put links here. Also, I hope my images won't disappear accidentally but I just have to say this:
Advising people to delete their images from the cam. is ..well, a bad idea. I only started stock lately but 3 of my top5 most sold images (70x, 20x, 18x) on another site are ones I almost deleted. Unless it is technically imperfect keep it, even then you might will like it and/or will sell it somewhere else, not on the stock. HDs are dirt cheap.
You must be very critical of course and I think most photographers are. I keep usually 5-10% for my site.
The other thing why I read this is bc I had technically good images refused for being similar. OK. then how come when I browse among DTs photogs I see almost identical images from them as their latest uploads. Some has 5-10000 photos. I don't want to put links here but it's easy to find them. So if I cannot upload similar, but others are allowed to do so for some reason, how will I ever get a decent (2-5K) portfolio?
I do understand your point but then why do I see almost identical images uploaded the same time from the some people from the same shoot?
The last thing is the selection. "Editors are trained and know what sells and what not"
No they don't. Sure they are well trained, have plenty info to help them. They have an idea, based on what sells at the moment, have experience on what was sold in the past. I'm sure they have all kinds of stats by events, seasons, they have requests and they probably have an idea what the client's interest is, but saying that they KNOW is a bit bold. Unless they see the future, they do not, and images that were refused here for being similar are selling on other sites. So why not give the customer the chance to pick on DT? Or only certain people can do that... ?
The rest I agree with and true, the thumbnail overview is a very good way to prioritize your images. Still, nobody knows what image John Smith will look for next week. |
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 13:11:15 PM by Livingstonatlarge |
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Hahaha.....I wish I had read this yesterday.....Good to know for future submissions. |
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all the standard lens, tripods,filters etc.
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