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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 12:18:49 PM by Paulcowan |
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Hi, Serban. As a general rule I don't give images away unless it is a one-off limited "free image of the week" arrangement (I remember you were completely opposed to any free images yourself at the start, and I had to talk you into the idea), so if the agency feels a purge is needed then I will delete, not donate. I don't mind, but I don't like the idea of stuff ending in a free collection by default.
And, as I said, almost all the images were below what I would now consider an acceptable standard or were of subjects that are now too well-covered for occasional less commercial image to be worth saving.
The one photo that I might have kept I accidentally put into the free collection by not doing anything to it and then clicking the execute button which acted on everything on the page, not just the things I had ticked. There is no box for "take no action". |
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Canon EOS 5D Mk2, Canon EOS 5D, Canon 70-200 f2.8L zoom, 17-...
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 13:30:41 PM by Godfer |
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I have no problem with old images being deleted or that we are given the opportunity to put them into the free section but like Paul I think that the default should be to delete them after a month not automatically put them into the free section.
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Canon 5D MK II
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 14:04:23 PM by Holgs |
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| Originally posted by Achilles: |
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Quoted Message: The new section was launched today, with the 3 options listed and 30 days allowed for making a decision. No files were moved yet, there is one month in which you can think about the right decision to each of your files. You don't have to donate them all, just as you don't have to delete them all. Simply check each of them and see what works best for you.
As some of you noticed, we started with photos that are 4 years old and not 3 years. This makes the initial pool extremely small. We use this data to test the impact over the commercial database. Just as you, we don't want this section to errode the sales, but to help them grow.
We have checked some of the matching files and found them to be way below our current standards. Just check my latest free images to see what we're talking about. There is no way these files can generate significant sales now. We're all passionate about them and it's hard to see them go. But sometimes you have to decide what is best. The agency has to decide which of these options is in its community's best interest. We have selected "donate for free" as the default action, because the content is valuable, we don't want your work to be simply deleted. Assigning "delete" by default would just send that work down the drain.
There is no advertising in that section, so if you don't make money, the agency will not make money either. However, as it was said so many times, the free section helps the site. No matter what we personally believe, the section helps generating more sales. I'm not talking about my point of view, I'm talking based on real facts. Even if you're tempted to say this is a bad decision, remember you don't have the stats we work with.
In the end, you are still the one who makes the decision. You have 30 days to reach a decision, so no one is forcing you. Even if you donate an image, you can still disable it later. |
Not trying to be critical, I actually agree with going through the archives in this way, but you need to run this past your lawyers before you start giving away images without a contributors express consent.
By uploading, a contributor has agreed to sell the images, not give them away for free. You can't just change those terms without their agreement. Disabling or deleting is one thing, giving them away becomes a breach of copyright. If someone has been away for a while, or doesn't get the email, if they come back to find their work being given away for free, having agreed to a contract to sell them, they're not going to be happy. |
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 14:25:14 PM by Warrenpricephotography |
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Does going into a free section or giving an image away place it in Public Domain? |
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 14:57:02 PM by Madelaide |
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I support also the proposal of having the default action being deletion. I have unsold images here that sell elsewhere - and vice-versa - so I don't want something I can perhaps sell being offered for free, not to mention that I am against the concept of free images anyway.
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Mainly Canon A620 for microstock
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 15:28:12 PM by Fultonsphoto |
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| Quoted Message: good idea!!! personally when the photos exceed the year, if they have zero sales, I move them in the free section to increase my visibility |
One of my best selling images only started to sell recently which was just over a year after uploading it - No sales in first year, now suddenly 5 sales in quick succession and level 2 image. My thoughts, give your images a chance, just over a year is not that long among millions of images, but 3-4 years no sales, different story. |
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Nikon D700 and D80 - 18mm to 70mm DX ED Nkkor lens and 70-30...
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 15:49:57 PM by Cathyclapper |
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I also think the default should be set to disable, not automatically dumped into the free section. I wholeheartedly agree with your decision to clean up the database, though. If an image hasn't sold in 3 or 4 years, it's probably not going to be a big winner anyway. |
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Canon Digital Rebel XT
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Message posted at 10/27/2009, 16:07:31 PM by Fultonsphoto |
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I also agree with the majority here, donating images to the free section by default is not the way to go (Also sure there are legal complications), make the default disable and there can still be no complaints as the contributers have still been given the alternate options available, and if they feel strongly enough about donating an image then they can still do this, of their own free will! The current process would be forced in terms of those contributers that are unable, for whatever reason, to opt for the disable/rekeyword options within the time constraints. There can be no argument about whether this is going to happen, it has started, as stated in earlier posts, with images older than 4 years old currently being disabled, however, at the least listen to the majority of contributers that have made their feelings clear, make the default option DISABLE...If there is no hidden agenda, then I dont understand the reasoning behind insisting on the current default option of donating the images. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 02:30:39 AM by Jacus |
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Default action should be deletion. I don't want give any images for free. It's against contributor's interest. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 04:59:47 AM by Afagundes |
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I received an email yesterday showing 10 images that are at the "risk zone", how will this work, from the older to the newer ones? |
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Canon EOS 5D Mark II
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Message edited at 10/28/2009, 05:22:44 AM by Admin |
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We will set an extra option allowing you to keep all future notifications to default to your preferred action. The first notification will default to free from reasons stated above, but if you want to change it, all future notifications will be sent according to your account's preferences. Basically, you can just ignore the future notifications. Once you checked it the first time, all others will follow the same preferences.
@afagundes: from older to the newer ones. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 06:27:14 AM by Titania1980 |
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My first images are from ending 2006, what time period is used to delete files? 4 years ago? I haven't receved any email |
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Canon EOS 550D
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 07:10:16 AM by Neonriver |
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The first clean-up should be contributors who submit a few images and never submitted again. This should be for contributors beginning after one year!
Please don't punish regular contributor until you have gotten rid of the slugs! |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 08:36:39 AM by Wisconsinart |
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That just can't be legal. It certainly isn't ethical. If you want to give the images away for free then buy the rights to them.
This is an international community and attitudes may vary, but this is a serious issue where I live in the world. It's just wrong. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 08:45:45 AM by Martinedegraaf - member is an admin |
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| Originally posted by Neonriver: |
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Quoted Message: The first clean-up should be contributors who submit a few images and never submitted again. This should be for contributors beginning after one year!
Please don't punish regular contributor until you have gotten rid of the slugs! |
I don't think this is about contributors. It's about getting the maximum out of a database. A buyer certainly would not care whether his favorite image is shot by an active contributor or by a 'slug'...
I'm not a member long enough to be affected by this, but I also feel the default option should be set to 'disable'. You (DT) cannot give away what is not legally yours...
just my 2 cents :)
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 10:51:41 AM by Fleyeing |
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There still could be a serious legal problem about this. Our first preference (free-inactivate) gets saved, so that's fine. But the default-default still apparently is "give for free".
Imagine a contributor dies and his (stock-ignorant) heirs ignore the email or claim they didn't get the email at all. In short, they expect the port of the deceased will make them some money for a while.
Free images are downloaded like hell and one "customer" uses it and a (less ignorant) heir finds out that the image was downloaded for free from DT, against his will. Heir sues "customer", "customer" relied on DT, "customer" sues DT for abusing copyright. Que?
Therefore, offering for free should involve a voluntary action of the contributor, not be default-default, even if the first preference is saved. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 11:14:45 AM by Gyeah |
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It's a good move, but I AGREE with the default to be on disable, because, like a lot of people said in here already, somebody could be to busy to check their account in a whole month and maybe he wants to get hes images in the keymaster program, but those files will be already in the free section, that is not fair. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 12:23:05 PM by Cleaper |
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I am too new here for this to directly effect me as yet but I would like to give my opinion if I may:
Firstly, I agree that a clean up of the database is a very good idea. It will hopefully mean that the best images get a better chance of being seen and it also gets rid of some images that may not be up to current standards. However, I agree with what a few people have already said - this clean up should perhaps be more orientated towards images that are not up to these current standards rather than just the older images. Images with no downloads may sometimes be more appealing to designers/buyers because this means that they are not overused by others and can make their work more unique. I do agree though that a clean up would be beneficial to the database as a whole.
The negative side to all of this does seem to be the default being set to donate to free section. As people above have said this just doesn't seem fair to those that are unable to check their account for one reason or another. More importantly than this though I suspect it is not legally correct for this to be the default. The copyright of the photograph stays with the photographer when they join Dreamstime and the images are licensed out through the agent (Dreamstime) for a fee. If the photographer chooses to give away one of his images to the free section then that is his/her prerogative as the copyright holder. For this decision to be taken out of the photographers hands is just wrong. I know that Achilles has just pointed out that the default is only set to the free section for the first instance but this shouldn't even be the case. The decision should be with the photographer alone. It is also stated in Dreamstime Terms and conditions "Any contributor can donate images for the free images section. The contributor is responsible for the donation.." This wouldn't be the case if the contributor was away for a month or two and had the decison taken out of his hands because of a default. Surely giving a photograph away for free without the photographers consent is equivalent to "sending it down the drain"!? He/she won't receive payment for it so sometimes people would prefer to delete it. It doesn't disappear if they delete it as they still hold the image - so if they are non exclusive they can sell it elsewhere.
On the other hand....I often do donate my images to the free section. This is because I believe that it draws people to my portfolio. For example when I donated one of my images of a sunset I then had several sales of sunsets from elsewhere in my portfolio within that week. This is because those images were on my free image page. However, as Fultonsphoto, AlecBrown and Aneese have pointed out - if too many images are given for free and the free database becomes very large with a varied amount of images that were once good enough for approval by admin then we are at a risk of detracting from the main charged for database. A free section makes sense as a marketing tool but when it becomes larger and with better quality images I believe it will start taking away sales. Why would someone pay to download an image when they would also now have a larger choice of good quality images for free??
Anyway, in a nutshell (sorry just realised how much I have written!!) I agree that the clean up is a good idea as it will improve the searches etc but I think the default should be set to another option than donate for free. I know that it will only be like this in the first instance but it really shouldn't be set to that at all. The choice should be with the copyright holder - ie the photographer. Other than that it's a great idea if implemented in a fair way that will improve the database as a whole for contributors and buyers alike. |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 13:23:36 PM by Pierdelune |
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I think that if an image is not wanted for sales it should not be given for free by default. I think that the said image should be removed or deleted by default.
I already gave away some of my pictures for free which I regret. I won't give for free anymore.
Wow ! there will be a bank of free images in Dreamstime. No to good for us! |
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Message posted at 10/28/2009, 13:30:43 PM by Preckas |
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I will agree with the majority of the contributors for the default to be delete and not send to free.
Images not selling here are selling in other sites and vice versa. If we want to add images to the free section it should be our own choice and not forced.
Even if there is a notice sent to contributors to take action within 30 days, people may miss that. Don't forget for us living in Europe we can take vacations of 30days or more and some of us could easily miss such a notice. |
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