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Filters for Sunset/Sunrise Photography

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Haslinda
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Message posted at 06/08/2011, 06:55:51 AM by Haslinda
Does anyone use a filter for photographing sunset or sunrise? If yes, what is your recommendation? I read a photography book today and the suggestion is to get a ND Filter grad 0.9. Will a yellow filter helps or purple one emphasize twilight?



I already have a polarizer. Another consideration is I plan to upgrade to a Nikon in the far future. Currently I am using an Olympus e-520 with an 14-42 lens. Just wondering if the lens will fit to an Nikon body so if it doesn't I don't want to buy too many filters.



Post-editing is not my stronger skill which is why I prefer to get the colors right at point of composition.



Thank you for all for your valuable help and insights.


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Neilmachin
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Message posted at 06/08/2011, 10:17:33 AM by Neilmachin
The critical thing for filters is the diameter of the front element of the lens. Does not matter what camera the lens fits. A 52mm screw thread filter will fit a 52mm diameter Nikon lens or a 52mm diameter Canon one - but would not fit a 49mm diameter lens from either. So the important thing is to try it possible to get all your lenses to be the same diameter. That can limit you but it is possible - you just need to decide if being able to fit the same filter is the most important criteria when choosing a lens.
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Message posted at 06/08/2011, 17:02:30 PM by Rbrosseauphoto
Most people using ND graduated filters are using the large square/rectangle plastic plates either handheld or using a Lee-type filter holder attached to the lens with some sort of adapter. Look up "Lee Filter Holder" for more details. Using the rectangluar ND graduated filter lets you place the gradation exactly where you want it, which is usefull if the horizon is not mid-frame.
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Haslinda
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 06:04:54 AM by Haslinda
Thanks for sharing the information, Neilmachin and Rbrosseauphoto. Will look up for more info. Cheers!


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Rolmat
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 06:06:58 AM by Rolmat - member is an admin
Just a piece of advice, if you go for the rectangular filters and adapters, please opt for the P type filters and correspondent adapters. This way you will be able to cover most of your lenses diameters. Big adapters can be easily attached to smaller lenses diameters via adapter rings (step-up/down rings). One last thing, I personally prefer glass filters rather than plastic ones. :)



More info:



Cokin Filters and Adapters

Lee Filters and Adapters





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Haslinda
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 07:38:51 AM by Haslinda
Thank you for that information, Rolmat. Much appreciated :) And I agree, prefer glass filter too. Thanks!


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Syamin
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 11:40:05 AM by Syamin
I don't have any filter at the moment to fit my current lens system except from those film type camera (52mm to 58mm lens only). Just to share with you on what i did to emphasize twilight (sunset) was using different WB other than AUTO WB, such as this shot i took recently...



   Silhouette pylons against sunset twilight zone   



Setting the WB to AUTO didn't give me what i wanted to achieve, so i switched to SHADE then i got it...striking orange. The same with the image below...



   Sunset, Twilight Zone Over Marina   



Happy trying...
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 21:02:16 PM by Afagundes
Very nice pictures, Syamin
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Kbvroom
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Message posted at 06/09/2011, 21:04:44 PM by Kbvroom
Good information.


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Haslinda
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 05:37:25 AM by Haslinda
Gorgeous pictures, Syamin. Will try those setting next time. Great tips, thanks :)


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Kcphotos
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 09:28:06 AM by Kcphotos
I am curious about this. If you shoot in RAW and post process your images, isn't it possible to create just about the same effects as you can using a glass filter? I think I read somewhere that the only filter effect you cannot recreate using software is a polarizing filter.
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Syamin
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 10:49:03 AM by Syamin
I think you're right Kcphotos. The reason i applied different WB setting just because i don't have filters at the moment to fit my current lenses sizes. As long as i can achieve the result i am looking for the moment i took the picture, that would be easier for me to do the final touch-up with just a little tweak. The scene in the samples of my images here actually quite dull with just light orange and yellow (using auto WB or daylight). By setting the WB to shade, it gave me a big different... a punchy and striking orange. I might get the same effect if i was using filter...
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Kcphotos
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 14:41:28 PM by Kcphotos
And I would think you don't even need to set WB in the camera because it can be adjusted using the RAW editor in post processing. I don't think I have ever taken my D300 off Auto WB but been able to very interesting adjustments to WB in RAW.
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Syamin
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 21:23:04 PM by Syamin

Originally posted by Kcphotos:
Quoted Message: And I would think you don`t even need to set WB in the camera because it can be adjusted using the RAW editor in post processing. I don`t think I have ever taken my D300 off Auto WB but been able to very interesting adjustments to WB in RAW.




It's a matter of choice... i like to see the result right after taking the shot without having to wait back home to change the WB on my computer. I practice this method only when taking sunset shot. Other than that i always go for auto WB.
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Syamin
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 21:27:22 PM by Syamin
Thanks Afagundes..
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Syamin
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Message posted at 06/10/2011, 21:38:34 PM by Syamin
To Haslinda, i hope that would be one of the easiest way to emphasize next time you shoot twilight without a filter.
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Jmweb7
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Message posted at 07/14/2011, 21:18:56 PM by Jmweb7
Go for Cokin filters. then you can use them interchangeably and easily on all lens :)
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Haslinda
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Message posted at 07/15/2011, 06:41:37 AM by Haslinda
Syamin, I did try your suggestion and I agree it did make a different. Thanks, much appreciated! Though haven't got any of those pictures accepted yet. Jmweb7, I saw the cokin filters set box in a shop a few weeks ago. They are selling it at S$320. Can't see what all that box contains. All the salesperson were too busy to ask more questions. Haven't make up my mind yet but I do want a filter set.



Right now I am so tempted to get the Nikon7000 like Neil. They are promoting it here between S$2029 (with filters thrown in) to S$2229 (included with macro lens). While I have the funds for that, I just wondered if it is worthwhile to get the camera 1st or stick to what I have now, get the filter set and improve my techniques before making a huge spending. Hmmm, decisions, decisions.



Thank you, everybody for sharing your thoughts and experience.


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Syamin
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Message posted at 07/15/2011, 07:29:56 AM by Syamin
Hi Haslinda, i just back home from sunset shooting and it is good to know that you have tried. After taking sunset shot in WB cloud or shade, you can still improve that shot later on with RAW software (normally c/w camera) by altering the WB again but this time on the raw image (if you shoot in RAW as well). Look for 'white balance adjustment', then go to 'color temperature'(i am referring to Canon raw software and not sure if you use camera other than canon). Try bring up and down the temperature. The higher the temperature the warmer your sunset image will get, bring it down will give blue cool effect...and that will enhance your sunrise shot! By using filters also a good choice but have to be careful with the intensity because even a total silhouette subject may have an orange cast visible on it. Don't believe me until you try it out :-) :-)
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