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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 04:20:11 AM by Ghubonamin |
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Thanks for clearing this issue!
I like this place especially the commissions but i would suggest a shorter time i think 3 months are more than enough to avoid these issues you are talking about. I'm fearing a 12month-time will harm this place more than help it. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 04:40:44 AM by Masta4650 |
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| Originally posted by Ghubonamin: |
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Quoted Message: Thanks for clearing this issue!
I like this place especially the commissions but i would suggest a shorter time i think 3 months are more than enough to avoid these issues you are talking about. I'm fearing a 12month-time will harm this place more than help it. |
I totally agree with this. 1 year is way too much. A 90 day period would be a more acceptable term for everybody. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 04:56:23 AM by Erinhula |
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I totally agree with this. 1 year is way too much. A 90 day period would be a more acceptable term for everybody. [/quote]
I have to agree. A 12 month committment in such a fast changing industry is just too long. 90 days is a much better term. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 05:22:13 AM by Bcgraphix |
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I totally understand Dreamstime and I feel it in only natural for them to introduce this kind of measures. This should be a give-give kind of community, not a give-take one. We should also be prepared to invest something in Dreamstime. As far as I see it, they are asking for our loyalty without obliging us to be exclusive which is absolutely fine with me. Its only normal for us contributors to invest something back, when they have, obviously invested so much time and resources in making our opinion and preferences materialize in new features and options. And also, if you think about it, how can you and they promote your portfolio, if for example, you choose to disable all your images every 2 weeks for example?! It doesn't make any sense to me. Also, it doesn't make any difference for me whether they require my images for 3, 6 or 12 months. I intend to keep them anyway more than 1 year because I know that designers need that time, many of them create lightboxes and download files only close to their deadlines, not right away. So, I think this is only a fair thing to ask. |
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Message edited at 02/16/2006, 06:25:21 AM by Kehleyr |
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As a designer, I know how long it takes to find the perfect image, and more important, I know from personal experience how long it takes before an advertisment is published. Usually, prestigious magazines such as HOW design are asking for advertisements as long as 1-2 months before they are actually published. This means that 3 months is not enough time for the image to be published, to reach its intended customer and for the customer to actually go and buy that image.
Nobody will buy the image just because he or she likes it, he will buy it when he needs it. Maybe he needs an image sometimes, he will go back to Dreamstime, look for an image, but since the 3 months have passed, the image will not be available anymore...
12 months is a compromise on both sides. As a desinger I would naturally prefer the image to be available forever :). Each of us needs to put some effort into this. For DT, the risk is high enough as it is if they accept to disable an image which has been sold together with the rights. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 05:46:52 AM by Joegough |
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| Originally posted by Erinhula: |
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| Quoted Message: I have to agree. A 12 month committment in such a fast changing industry is just too long. 90 days is a much better term. |
Well said Carole. I was staggered when I read the 12 month clause for new images and there is no way I could agree to it. Like many others I'm sure, with that clause in place, 15th March would become the day that I reluctantly stopped uploading new images to DT.
It's a competitive world out there, not just for for sales but also for contributors' portfolios, and the prices, commissions and terms available to us are changing almost on a monthly basis. As much as I enjoy being a member of this community I certainly could not accept being prevented from accepting new opportunities for a full 12 months in advance. Personally I would prefer 60 days _ quite frankly if a buyer cannot make their mind up to go ahead and spend a $ or two on a high-quality unique image in that timescale then they don't deserve to have it.
I am coming to the conclusion that exclusive rights, at least to individual images, will increasingly become the norm within the microstock industry __ just as it has been for years with the traditional stock houses. I'm not sure that that would be such a bad thing either as I believe we 'stock tarts', who upload to multiple agencies, are forcing those same agencies to compete against each other on price for largely the same image collections. This situation is not helping the contributors, as lower prices mean lower commissions for all, or indeed the agencies themselves who need to invest in infrastructure and marketing.
It is still very early days in the microstock industry and the serious players, with good-sized portfolios, will want to keep their options open. The 12-month clause for new images, if implemented, will seriously limit DT's growth IMHO.
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 05:53:38 AM by Pichunter |
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| Originally posted by Kehleyr: |
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12 months is a compromise on both sides. As a desinger I would naturally prefer the image to be available forever :). Each of us needs to put some effort into this. For DT, the risk is high enough as it is if they accept to disable an image which has been sold together with the rights. |
I thought the whole idea of RF images are that once you buy the image it is available to you for ever. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:05:13 AM by Joegough |
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| Originally posted by Kehleyr: |
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Quoted Message: As a designer, I know how long it takes to find the perfect image, and more important, I know from personal experience how long it takes before an advertisment is published. Usually, prestigious magazines such as HOW design are asking for advertisements as long as 1-2 months before they are actually published. This means that 3 months is not enough time for the image to be published, to reach its intended customer and for the customer to actually go and buy that image.
Nobody will buy the image just because he or she likes it, he will buy it when he needs it. Maybe he needs an image sometimes, he will go back to Dreamstime, look for an image, but since the 3 months have passed, the image will not be available anymore...
12 months is a compromise on both sides. As a desinger I would naturally prefer the image to be available forever :). Each of us needs to put some effort into this. For DT, the risk is high enough as it is if they accept to disable an image which has been sold together with the rights. |
You're kidding right? These images cost designers as little as 50c if they take advantage of the regular offers to buy credits __ most of them are only $1 anyway. It surely must cost you more in your time to keep going back and forth rather than just clicking the 'Buy' button when you see an image you find useful. I can't believe any professional designer needs to spend more than 3 months pondering and scratching their head over the decision to spend 50c or not. |
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Message edited at 02/16/2006, 06:45:47 AM by Has1sue |
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Many thank's for speedy clarification :)
Hmmmm have no problem about leaving my Portfolio up here as Dreamstime is in my top 3 fav and most productive sites.....
however as said by others I prefer to keep my oppions open and feel that although I can appreciate DTs point of view 12 months is a long commitment in this ever changing industry therefor I also will have to think long and hard wheather or not I want to upload here further after the new rule comes into place
Sue
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:13:49 AM by Godfer |
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I think commiting ourselves to 12 months is going to make alot of us stop and think. Things are changing so fast now on all the stock sites and being new to this I find all this commitment daunting. I plan to make a really good go of stock photography but as of yet I dont know in which direction I am going so as I say 12 months is a long time. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:29:46 AM by Kehleyr |
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To Joegough:
We're not only talking about individual professional designers here. Most of us are just employers in big companies, and usually companies don't allocate budget on something which has potential, no matter how much potential it has, unless they are sure it's going to be used.
In an ideal world we could all go spend our money on beautiful images as soon as we find them, but unfortunately in the real economy it doesn't happen like that.
Even if a designer would want to do that, the company would not approve it. Maybe a small personal business would, but the large companies wouldn't.
And it is impossible to know beforehand, just when you see an image, whether you will need that concept in the future or not.
To pichunter:
I was referring of the time between the image submission and the very moment when the designer downloads the file. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:35:37 AM by Lisafx |
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I have to agree with JoeGough and the others who are unable to commit a full year for images. I agree with others that 90 days is more than enough and I would be willing to commit to that.
A year is an eternity in microstock time. Look at the vast changes the last year has brought!
I have faith in Dreamstime to still be here a year from now and to still be successful. I also fully expect my images to still be here in a year and still selling well. However, we are being asked to trust DT and it would be nice if the trust would go both ways.
Your big sellers aren't going to be pulling out arbitrarily for no reason, but they may well be the ones likely to pull out if you force them to commit to a year.
Slightly OT, I WOULD like to thank Dreamstime for the pay raise. It means a lot. Another reason I would be LESS likely to pull my images if I am not forced to by a provision I can't accept. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:47:08 AM by Joegough |
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Kehleyr,
But surely, even if the designer is working for a 'big company', the design project is presumably being invoiced to the client? Even if you bought 10 images, and used only one of them in the finished project, the cost of images would be a tiny proportion of the total bill. It is generally accepted that most images bought via microstock are never used beyond the mock-up stage. I could understand your concerns if image prices were at the traditional levels but not at 50c or $1. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 06:59:09 AM by Has1sue |
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Let us hope that there can be a compromise to the 12 months commitment which is a very long time in microstock in order that we can ALL happily continue to upload to the site we love :)
Best wishes to all
Sue
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 08:52:36 AM by Wysiwygfoto |
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This thread is cracking me up. Sounds like there are a lot of people in a panic over things they shouldn't be. Let's look at this objectively...
What if I sell the image outright? Well, honestly, how many times has this happened to you? Even if it did happen, if you submit to multiple sites, then you have to disable the image on those sites as well - some with requirements that your image may be sold for up to 30 days AFTER you deactivate it. Other sites will continue to pay a commission on that image AFTER it has been purchased by a buyer because that buyer wants the image delivered in a different format. Lisafx brought this up at another agency.
How is an agency that is willing to make the commitment to market your work for 12 months making this one sided? Achilles made it very clear this is a benefit that will help both you and the buyer. I feel bad that a designer contributed (thanks Kehleyr) and as photographers we are telling the designer that they have to change their business practices if they want to buy our stuff? Remember the "Soup Nazi" from Seinfeld? Is that how you want your customers to percieve you?
I agree there are many changes in the industry and there will be many more but as contributors, we need to be flexible and approach things with an open mind if we want to continue to be successful.
I for one am looking forward to all the changes. I see all positives all the way around. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 08:54:36 AM by Karens4 |
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I could live with 90 day commitment but would, reluctantly, have to stop uploading if we stick with the 12 months proposal.
Dreamstime needs to do what's right for its business but so do I and I can't tie myself down in the current climate.
Guess it's going to be a busy couple of weeks to get all those uploads in !
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 09:24:56 AM by Lisafx |
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| Originally posted by Wysiwygfoto: |
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I agree there are many changes in the industry and there will be many more but as contributors, we need to be flexible and approach things with an open mind if we want to continue to be successful.
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I agree 100% about flexibility. How is it you think that a 12 month commitment will help you remain "flexible"? |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 09:32:30 AM by Pufferfishy |
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I share your fear... :(
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Quoted Message: I have read these posts and the original post by Achilles, and I'm not sure if I understand the situation correctly.
What I think I read was that all uploads after March 15th will require a commitment to keep the images up for 1 year. The following from Achilles' post seems to general and not restricted to exclusive content:
"When these new prices and commission fees will be in place, we will introduce the need to keep a file up for at least 12 months since the acceptance date. This will allow us to promote these images and enough time to reach our markets."
If my understanding is correct, that's a big problem for me.
I've been with Dreamstime for almost 18 months, and I would plan to stay here for the forseeable future. However, as everyone is aware, there are a lot of changes afoot for those of us who contribute to multiple sites.
I may not be the only one who would consider stopping uploading, at least for a while, if it meant a 12 month commitment. This is the second time Dreamstime has proposed requiring a commitment like this - and last time they agreed to drop it after a howl of protest from contributors.
What happens to images uploaded prior to March 15th - are we still free to delete those at any time?
I don't want to leave this site, but I can't accept a 12-month commitment. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 09:33:16 AM by Joegough |
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| Quoted Message: How is it you think that a 12 month commitment will help you remain "flexible"? |
Don't forget that it is effectively a ROLLING 12 month contract too. Every time that you upload another image then you would be committing to a futher 12 months of having at least some of your work represented here. I wouldn't call that 'flexible' either. |
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Message posted at 02/16/2006, 09:35:38 AM by Wysiwygfoto |
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The 12 month committment is not an exclusivity committment. If you want to leave DT altogether, nothing is stopping you from doing that. From what I read, if you upload an image, and continue to have a sales account here, then the expectation is that you'll keep that image here for at least 12 months and that DT will market that image. If you decide to leave the agency and go exclusive elsewhere, then no harm, no foul, - send a letter to support and close out your account.
I see absolutely no intention here on the part of DT to restrict its contributors to the agency (unless you make the committment to become exclusive here). |
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