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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 11:48:57 AM by Sapsiwai |
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| Quoted Message: ... I still hold out hope that a compromise solution can be found that works for everybody :-D. |
How about, for those who see this 12 months issue as a problem, continue to give them 50 cents per download (instead of the proposed one) but they OPT OUT of the commitment to leave their pics to DT for a year.
DT will get more revenue from this category of photographers. A win-win solution.
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 11:34:50 AM by Damir00 |
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With less than one week to go before the changeover, I take it from the tenor of the posts that Dreamstime still intends to go forward with the 12 month image lock down?
Photoshow - the concern isn't about photographer exclusivity, it's about image exclusivity. It may look like a "Fool's Bet" to some, but as the industry appears to be headed that way (as trad stock did, and trad stock increasingly owns microstock, look what ******* did with its micro purchases) then it's a bet you may have no choice but to take.
It will be interesting to see what the approval times look like after the 15th!
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 11:48:18 AM by Alfiofer |
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| Originally posted by Sophieso: |
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Quoted Message: A very important point to understand about the new terms and conditions is that you are not required to be exclusive. It is required that you keep your images here for 12 months so that Dreamstime can promote your work and know that it will still be on the site. If you chose to be exclusive, you will receive even more benefits. Dreamstimes is inviting you to become exclusive, not demanding it. Dreamstime is motivating its members and offering them incentives, but Dreamstime will not take away your choices.
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Correct me if I'm wrong....I a newbie on DT and I've read in terms and condition that non exclusivity is requested by DT isn't it?
I don't know the way to become esxlusive and benefits I'd receive..In wich part of terms and condition theese thing're explaned?
Thank a lot..and if'u have some time to spent witha newbie, please look at some of my upload and criticize it...
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 12:36:48 PM by Photoshow |
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| Originally posted by Damir00: |
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Photoshow - the concern isn't about photographer exclusivity, it's about image exclusivity. It may look like a "Fool's Bet" to some, but as the industry appears to be headed that way (as trad stock did, and trad stock increasingly owns microstock, look what ******* did with its micro purchases) then it's a bet you may have no choice but to take.
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Actually I do believe that Lisa's concern which is what I was responding to was absolutely about Photographer Exclusivity and her concern that selling rights to a photo here would exclude her from entering a program offered elsewhere.
I have no problem with doing work for hire exclusive images but you would never see me so drastically limit myself by becoming an Exclusive Photog for just one distributor.
Lisa, seriously despite what Customer Support is telling you I still contend that there is no way they would reject you under that scenario. Do you really believe that all those Gold Crowns have NEVER SOLD an image ANYWHERE as a work for hire for another agency? I find that idea just absolutely unimaginable, there are to many photogs involved.
For them to say you can have NEVER sold an image is ludicrous and frankly given the anonymous nature of Work For Hire it is also pretty hard to prove.
I have to say that I find it odd that those who are so concerned that the 12 month issue is TOO LIMITING are only concerned about how this issue might affect their ability to make a choice that would be the ultimate restriction against what they can do with their work.
Lisa, I really thought you were a bright girl and a strong business person, frankly I am shocked that you would be so seriously considering making a move that is so restrictive and limiting on your career advancement as becoming an Exclusive Photographer would be.
For those who are still on the fence about this 12 month issue may I remind you that many of the top producers on the site weighed in as in favor of this move.We are the ones who are actually earning a living wage from Microstock and you can be sure that we have given the issue heavy thought and consideration. Speaking for myself I can honestly say that if I thought there was any business harm that could come to me as a result of this I would vehemently oppose it but I don't. To the contrary I do believe that if DT Admin is more comfortable about the stability of the collection they are marketing they will be more comfortable in marketing it and increased marketing can only result in increased sales so to me it is a win win situation with little to nothing to lose.
In the end the move costs me nothing because it is highly unlikely that once I upload an image I will ever remove it from here anywise. So I just don't see the rub. |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 12:39:12 PM by Bobwyo |
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If I understand correctly, the option to become an exclusive DreamsTime photographer will become available on March 15.
Exclusivity has nothing to do with whether photos must be left on the site for a year.
It seems as if this whole thing has been taken wrongly by a few photographers who have complained heavily about being forced into something. This is especially troubling when admins have said they are considering the policy and it isn't absolute yet.
My understanding is this: After March 15 photos that are uploaded will be required to stay active for a year on this site. If photographers have a compelling reason to deactivate them, they can contact admin, who have said they will be quite open to delete reasons. The primary concern in this issue is, apparently, photographers who upload images, then disable them, then re-enable them, etc. DT wants to be able to count on images being available after they're uploaded. If I have read the admin posts correctly, images that are online for 12 months can be uploaded to other sites.
Exlusivity (also available March 15) is a separate option for photographers. We can choose to be DT-only photogs, for which we will be rewarded with higher commissions and a payment for each accepted image. Of course in this case, images may not be uploaded elsewhere.
Admins: am I right on this? |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 13:07:15 PM by Tano - member is an admin |
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Almost right. I mean there is no decision made about the lenght of the disable restriction. |
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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 14:15:29 PM by Thefreemangroup |
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OK, I have been keeping up with the thread and I thought I was following, but apparently I am not...
(I have a tiny little portfolio now and one solitary download, but I still would like to understand better!)
Can someone clarify for me?
My understanding is that images submitted after the new poilcy goes into effect (15-MAR) are to stay on DT for one year - and I can't upload them to other stock sites. Essentially, images that I might now "spread around" can't be spread around (until after 12 months) if I upload it here.
Or will it be the case that I can go ahead and upload everywhere, but that I just have to leave it active here for 12 months?
I apologize for the dumb question, but I couldn't seem to get it through my head reading the above.
Thanks for your time!
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 14:17:54 PM by Nantela |
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Essentially, the one-year-rule is a reaction to a few photographers who keep activating/deactivating their submissions.
Maybe you should have warned/ejected those few idiots instead of making up a broad constraint that is obviously pissing off everyone else.
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 14:45:05 PM by Sophieso |
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Bob, you're reading the posts and following things correctly. As Tano stated, nothing is written in concrete yet because Dreamstime is listening to their members.
What you do have absolutely correct is that keeping your images here does not mean you can't upload them to other sites. Requesting that your images remain on the site for 12 months does not mean you are exclusive with Dreamstime. The request to keep images on the site for 12 months is an attempt to stabilize the site and to give everybody's photographs a chance to find their market. As Bobby (PhotoShow) stated in another post on another forum, he has had photos sell here after they had been on the site for a year or longer. The need for images is constantly growing and changing. It is easy to get impatient when your image doesn't sell immediately. But it is even more frustrating to remove your image, then see images similar to yours all of a sudden start selling like crazy. This is part of the reason why people put up their images and take them down, then put them up, take them down. it is better to have your images in place and ready for the whims of the market.
The option to be exclusive with Dreamstime is mostly an effort to give recognition to artists who are already exclusive. It's also an attempt to let designers know that certain images are only available on Dreamstime. There are already a lot of artists here who are exclusive, and it is only fair that they be given some kind of recognition. If it is your decision to be exclusive with Dreamstime in the future, it is only fair that you be given some recognition and compensation.
Thefreemangroup (can I call you William, or Bill? That's a whopper of a name:-), there is no such thing as a stupid question. This is a discussion, and all questions help everybody understand the changes better. Ask away:-)
As for approval time changing after the new contracts go into effect--nothing will change. Right now the queue is massive and everybody has been working long hours to do the best job possible for the community. Submissions also ebb and flow, just as the market does. |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 14:45:42 PM by Jimjurica |
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As one of the Dreamstime top-20 sellers and former "Featured Photographer," I sincerely hope that someone from this company is listening when I say that I, for one, have no intention of uploading any images under the new 12-month commitment policy. In fact, I stopped new uploads a week ago. I'm just not comfortable with anything that I cannot choose to opt-out of once I have opted-in.
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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 14:58:40 PM by Thefreemangroup |
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Thanks, Mary ann, for the clarification! I appreciate your presence and efforts here in helping to keep this clear.
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| Quoted Message: Thefreemangroup (can I call you William, or Bill? ...) |
"Bill" is good. Or "hey you" ... etc |
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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 16:52:30 PM by Carolinasmith |
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If abuse by some photographers is the main impetus for the 12 month requirement being discussed, it would seem like a 6 month period would be a logical next step to see if that is adequate to cut the abuse.
If marketing efforts, longevity of photos on the site are the impetus, I have no problem with the 12 month restriction/commitment.
I do feel like it is a two way street, no, make that three way intersection... the photographer who invests their time, money, and vision into the production shoot and quality issues, Dreamstime, who maintains standards and invests in the marketing, and the buyer, who would like to count on a photo being there for the download...and perhaps the overall sense of a stable quality library of photos.
I do not see myself becoming exclusive anywhere from a business perspective, but I do have a very long haul view of microstock as a viable portal for my photography, so one year against the backdrop of the future is very tenable for me. I think some things take a bit of rooting to bring forth the best fruit... |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 17:34:15 PM by Sophieso |
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| Originally posted by Jimjurica: |
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Quoted Message: As one of the Dreamstime top-20 sellers and former "Featured Photographer," I sincerely hope that someone from this company is listening when I say that I, for one, have no intention of uploading any images under the new 12-month commitment policy. In fact, I stopped new uploads a week ago. I'm just not comfortable with anything that I cannot choose to opt-out of once I have opted-in.
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Jim, I don't see the part of the contract that says you can't have files removed once they've been uploaded. You've worked with this team for a long time and shared a profitable partnership. You must know that administration here isn't going to hold you back if you feel you've got bigger fish to fry. That's just not the way this administration works.
The purpose of these forums is so Dreamstime administration can post what they are considering, and listen to feedback from the community. Almost a month ago Achilles posted the first draft of the new terms, and that is more than enough time to let everybody hash it out on the forums, be heard, and ask for clarification of all the points. A lot is being considered, and not just contracts. Dreamstime had a goal for last year and made it. They've got new goals, lots of new innovations, and this next year will bring more growth, exposure, and community. BTW, once again Dreamstime is running a full page inside back cover ad in How Magazine, spending their profits to bring us buyers.
Hey, you! Bill! :-) Nice to have you around. Here's hoping you're around for a long time, enjoy good sales, and have extra money for toys....or bills...or a car....or house:-) |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 17:42:35 PM by Jimjurica |
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| Originally posted by Sophieso: |
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Jim, I don't see the part of the contract that says you can't have files removed once they've been uploaded. |
You do realize I'm referring to images uploaded after March 15th, when the proposed 12-month commitment period is slated to begin? I think it's important for Dreamstime to understand that they will most likely drive away a certain amount of new uploads if this new policy is implemented. |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 18:54:07 PM by Beckyabell |
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I'll keep uploading........even though i'm not at the top.........YET!!!! |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 19:04:28 PM by Photoshow |
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| Originally posted by Beckyabell: |
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| Quoted Message: I'll keep uploading........even though i'm not at the top.........YET!!!! |
Becky, I will be here waiting for you when you reach your rightful place just try not to pass me as you climb ok ;) |
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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 20:09:02 PM by Gvictoria |
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| Originally posted by Beckyabell: |
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| Quoted Message: I'll keep uploading........even though i'm not at the top.........YET!!!! |
i'm with you Becky...and looking forward to catching up with you too Bobby!! :) |
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 20:14:28 PM by Sophieso |
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| Originally posted by Jimjurica: |
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Quoted Message: [quote]
Jim, I don't see the part of the contract that says you can't have files removed once they've been uploaded. |
You do realize I'm referring to images uploaded after March 15th, when the proposed 12-month commitment period is slated to begin? I think it's important for Dreamstime to understand that they will most likely drive away a certain amount of new uploads if this new policy is implemented.[/quote]
Yep. Nothing's set in concrete, and Dreamstime has no plans to hold anybody back from their ambitions, before the date of the new contract, or after.
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Message edited at 03/09/2006, 21:32:06 PM by Damir00 |
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| Originally posted by Bobwyo: |
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| Quoted Message: Exclusivity has nothing to do with whether photos must be left on the site for a year. |
They are seperate issues when one considers DT alone.
Where they entangle is when one considers that many submit the same photos to a number of sites - and there are some pretty strong hints one or more of the other leading microstock sites will require image exclusivity before long. Actually, that's not quite correct, at least one already has, the question now is who will be next, and when.
The 12 month restriction, in conjunction with image exclusivity elsewhere, would throw a real monkey wrench into the current practices of a large number of microstock contributors. Note this isn't an attack on DT: it requires multiple agencies to cause the difficult.
The likelihood of this that or the other - and the consequence of guessing wrong - is something every contributor will have to evaluate for their own unique situation.
If I were DT, I'd be asking for the lockdown as well. It is a way of ensuring a good supply of photos no matter what any other agency does. Somebody had suggested that anybody uncomfortable with the 12 month plan be allowed to opt out, and in exchange retain the current, lower earnings. That seems like a very reasonable suggestion...
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Message posted at 03/09/2006, 21:36:04 PM by Dennist1 |
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A couple of thoughts ...
There is a lot of people confused with the exclusivity offer. I wonder if there isn't a lot of people that don't know who is who; ie haven't noticed the 'admin' tag or understand what it means. Perhaps a signature line or something to point out the credibility of admin. posts would help with that. It certainly has been stated enough.
Could we get an update on recent thoughts from management ... it was kind of left hanging as to the actual length of time; and the date is getting near.
I think it might scare off some newcomers ... I think that I would have been one of them. For some reason, I was quite nervous about uploading that first image. Making a 12 month commitment at that time would have been a big concern for me.
Regardless of the final outcome, I'm in. If I were to go exclusive anywhere (not likely), it would be here anyway. Other than exclusivity somewhere else, I can't imagine any reason I would want to pull my images from here (with exception for special circumstance single images).
So, DT Marketing Division, lets see what ya got up your sleeves!! I will leave my images for you to sell for me - no problem!!
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