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Alvera
I think that the real purpose of this test is to see that we can keep a secret. Considering this, the test is over... :)
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Posted: 05/29/2014, 15:22:21 PM
Clearvista
Ha ha yes failed miserably.
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Posted: 05/29/2014, 16:02:02 PM
Fred11

Originally posted by Alvera:
Quoted Message: I think that the real purpose of this test is to see that we can keep a secret. Considering this, the test is over... :)



Hahaha! yeah still. I dont know what all the fuzz is about? do you? I mean its just a test, a pilot-test, there is no risk involved, no risk at all!
Its like buying a car, you take it for a test drive, you like it you buy and if not you pick another car. There is no loss and no risk.

anyway enough of this.

best!
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 00:46:56 AM
Theohrm

Originally posted by Heywoody:
Quoted Message: Ah! a fellow paddy :)Normally I`d agree but it`s not blanket use of images and DT have been upfront about it and the particular images. Given the small number of (mostly) not well performing images, I'm not seeing massive risk


I'm Welsh. Tell nobody. ;)

No, you're right it isn't a massive risk. Even if it were my best performing images, it wouldn't be a massive risk because people who get stuff for free wouldn't want to pay for it in the first place. A stolen image is not a lost sale. I am concerned that DT thinks it has a big fish who will accept free images.

I also think that to say DT has been upfront about it shows how poorly we expect to be treated. It's rather like praising a mugger for not taking your shoes. The communication is not clear, the time frame it gives is too small (especially given the lack of information and the influx of mails support must be getting right now), and a lot of people are saying it got trapped in their spam filter (mine did). There's also the matter that you can't opt out of this program specifically, you have to opt out of every partner sale. That is not giving us free choice.

On a more personal note, I hated the way the email was phrased. "Top Contributor"? Please. I am not a top contributor, here or anywhere else. It's skeevy, it's not true, and flattery is never needed where facts are present. The concept of "We've selected you especially, but shhhh, it's our special secret" *really* got my back up.


Consider how you'd feel if this deal paid the same rates as something like Google Adsense.

I'm glad the agencies are trying to find new ways of selling images. If you make it easy for people to give you their money, they will. However, it's not right or fair to expect me to fund this vague project it in the hope of some unspecified financial reward possibly in the future, oh and exposure. *Ask* for donations, don't tell me they'll just be taken.
Posted: 05/30/2014, 01:56:55 AM
Malinash
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I'd like you all guys to rest assured that the status of your images won't change under any circumstances.
Posted: 05/30/2014, 03:48:00 AM
Parkinsonsniper
There is just one thing to keep in mind, DT makes money through our images. So...the point is, they WANT to sell our images. We are on the same ship.

Don't go paranoid like DT will give away our images and put 3$ in their pocket LOL it's not a small game..

Give'em some space and let them experiment. Come on, most of us will not lose thousand dollars!
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 06:41:19 AM
Digitalexpressionimages
I want to give a big thank you to Viorel Dudau. His comments on MSG have convinced me to opt out of this test even if it means losing revenue.

If I were in negotiations with some "big fish" for a deal and their stipulations were A) they be allowed to run a real world test of my product in which they make money while I make nothing and B) I'm not allowed to tell my partners anything about the deal they will be agreeing to, I would walk away. I can only assume Dreamstime has not because this deal stands to benefit them immensely while the benefit to contributors, if there is any, would be just a bonus.

Stop behaving as if you're doing us a favour by even selling our work and give us full disclosure on the details of this deal and maybe you will have better success.
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 09:25:31 AM
Dudau
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Digitalexpressionimages, you're welcome, but we still can't disclose any more details. If we would, we wouldn't have any chance on getting the deal done anyway, so what would be the point of full disclosure?
Dreams
Posted: 05/30/2014, 09:43:59 AM
Luissantos84
nothing is free in this world, why would our work be?
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 09:47:37 AM
Dudau
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Of course, giving away images for free is not our purpose. However, in order to attract more sales, sometimes it pays to offer some free samples for a limited time. Again, there is no deal yet, it's just a test. If there will be a deal, for sure it won't be for free images.
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 10:23:50 AM
Fred11
In 1965, Peter Boizot, who later on became a dear friend of mine launched the today world famous Pizza-Express in Wardour-st, London. He invited the whole street, all the shops, employees, the lot and also from 4 nearby streets. This was his first restaurant. Imagine the costs for this small restaurant when all through the day and night they gave away free Pizzas to thousands of people, etc.
This was his pilot thingy.

Today Pizza express is a multi billion pound/sterling corporation with pizza express restaurants all over the world. This old boy is today among the 50 richest people in the UK or at least was.

A pilot scheme is not about giving away something for free. Its an experiment to see if you can gain markets, new markets, fresh markets. Its venture for better or worse?

I have always earnt good money here and inted to do so in the furture.
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Edited: 05/30/2014, 10:38:03 AM
Tonygers
To see how good a pizza tastes you 'have' to eat it so you 'have' to own it seeing as you can't (or shouldn't) give it back after the tasting.

To see how good an image is you only have to look at it!
You don't 'need' to own it!

So sorry Fred, Chris or whatever your name actually is, your analogy doesn't work here.
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 13:05:24 PM
Fred11
Christian actually, as you know from SS. right. Just accounts names really. No big deal.

Well Tony I think my analogy works fine. Pilot scheme! many of todays big business was founded, launched after that so why shouldn t it work here?
We are being asked to participate not give away. Or would you rather fall victim of all these thousands of shady small outfits that steel our images anyway? where the majority of us would never even find out anyway. Like Paul who has just stumbled over some travel-agency that stole plenty of his Qatar images.

I dont go with the herd, have never done so but I suggest you pop over to the MSG and see/watch the total schizophrenic paraphernalia going on and then ask yourself if its on that side of the fence you wanna be. Me? no thanks, never been a loser.
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Posted: 05/30/2014, 13:19:45 PM
Luissantos84
did you meant banned?
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Edited: 05/31/2014, 02:03:30 AM by Admin
Fred11
Only a few hours ago you were slagging off DT at the MSG. This is not the forum for instigators Luis! Dont think Serban appreciates that? do you? hehe.
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Edited: 05/30/2014, 14:00:57 PM
Rolmat
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Originally posted by Luissantos84:
Quoted Message: did you meant banned?


Luis, please stick to external forums if you want to deal with personal issues. Thanks.
Edited: 05/31/2014, 02:08:16 AM by Admin
Luissantos84

Originally posted by Fred11:
Quoted Message: I dont go with the herd, have never done so but I suggest you pop over to the MSG and see/watch the total schizophrenic paraphernalia going on and then ask yourself if its on that side of the fence you wanna be. Me? no thanks, never been a loser.
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Posted: 05/31/2014, 02:20:35 AM
Rolmat
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Originally posted by Luissantos84:
Quoted Message: Quoted Message: I dont go with the herd, have never done so but I suggest you pop over to the MSG and see/watch the total schizophrenic paraphernalia going on and then ask yourself if its on that side of the fence you wanna be. Me? no thanks, never been a loser.


Ok Luis. That goes for everyone turning this thread into personal issues.
Posted: 05/31/2014, 02:25:41 AM
Theohrm

Originally posted by Fred11:
Quoted Message: In 1965, Peter Boizot, who later on became a dear friend of mine launched the today world famous Pizza-Express in Wardour-st, London. He invited the whole street, all the shops, employees, the lot and also from 4 nearby streets. This was his first restaurant. Imagine the costs for this small restaurant when all through the day and night they gave away free Pizzas to thousands of people, etc.This was his pilot thingy.Today Pizza express is a multi billion pound/sterling corporation with pizza express restaurants all over the world. This old boy is today among the 50 richest people in the UK or at least was.A pilot scheme is not about giving away something for free. Its an experiment to see if you can gain markets, new markets, fresh markets. Its venture for better or worse?I have always earnt good money here and inted to do so in the furture.


Which might be a good example if Mr Boizot had told his ingredients suppliers he wasn't going to pay them because if the scheme worked they'd be getting lots of business in the future.

That's what's happening here. And it's more of a problem because we weren't asked, we were *told*.


Posted: 05/31/2014, 08:13:47 AM
Algol
I opted out. My stock images are not for free use. It's simply not acceptable to me under any circumstances. I have specific images I create for free use, they have their own, different EULA and are never offered anywhere for sale.
If DT wanted proper confidentially for this testing then they should have arranged an NDA with the contributors involved.
Posted: 05/31/2014, 08:16:23 AM
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