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Chanevy
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Message posted at 05/31/2014, 08:26:58 AM by Chanevy
I respect DT for being straightforward unlike some of the recent deals we have seen in the industry. I am exclusive here so it won't hurt my sales elsewhere. I am in to see how it develops.
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Mexico70
26 posts
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Message posted at 05/31/2014, 08:40:57 AM by Mexico70
I unplugged the affiliate sales. Let develop, and then look and think
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Alvera
2660 posts
77
Message posted at 05/31/2014, 08:50:18 AM by Alvera
Not related to topic, just trying to understand. Not a native English speaker, please help explaining this (from the alliances page): "Remote third party prices are credit based and subscription downloads are not available on their websites."
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Lisafx
835 posts
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Message edited at 05/31/2014, 09:08:40 AM by Lisafx
I did not get one of the confidential notices, or if I did, I never saw it. However after reading about this on another forum my first inclination was to opt out of alliances. This was mostly a knee-jerk reaction after so many bad deals from other sites.

As more information has come out, and based on my long-standing relationship with Dreamstime and their history of treating contributors well and being trustworthy, I have reconsidered and opted back in to alliances.

Again, I don't know that any of my images will even be used in this beta test, but I am willing to give Dreamstime the benefit of the doubt and not punish them for other agencies' bad behavior. I will stay opted in to alliances and hope this test turns into a big money maker for all of us.
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Chanevy
588 posts
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Message posted at 05/31/2014, 10:37:01 AM by Chanevy
@Alvera, it means subscriptions can only be purchased direct from DT. Partner sales must be paid for in credits (so you get a percent of the money that DT gets instead of the sub commission.) Does that help?
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Fred11
177 posts
Message edited at 05/31/2014, 12:06:20 PM by Fred11

Originally posted by Lisafx:
Quoted Message: I did not get one of the confidential notices, or if I did, I never saw it. However after reading about this on another forum my first inclination was to opt out of alliances. This was mostly a knee-jerk reaction after so many bad deals from other sites. As more information has come out, and based on my long-standing relationship with Dreamstime and their history of treating contributors well and being trustworthy, I have reconsidered and opted back in to alliances. Again, I don`t know that any of my images will even be used in this beta test, but I am willing to give Dreamstime the benefit of the doubt and not punish them for other agencies` bad behavior. I will stay opted in to alliances and hope this test turns into a big money maker for all of us.



Hi Lisa! how goes?

I agree 100% with you, DT, is just about the only agency with a constant fair treatment to its suppliers. Glad to hear about your choice. If it works, fine! if not, nothing lost.

all the best and love to family! Christian ( fred11)
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Libux77
408 posts
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Message posted at 05/31/2014, 12:47:12 PM by Libux77

Originally posted by Alvera:
Quoted Message: I think that the real purpose of this test is to see that we can keep a secret. Considering this, the test is over... :)


Alvera, you make me laugh too much... LLLLLLLLLLOL :D


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Alvera
2660 posts
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Message posted at 06/01/2014, 00:06:54 AM by Alvera

Originally posted by Chanevy:
Quoted Message: @Alvera, it means subscriptions can only be purchased direct from DT. Partner sales must be paid for in credits (so you get a percent of the money that DT gets instead of the sub commission.) Does that help?

Helps a little, thanks. Because I earn $0.42 and $0.38 from my subscriptions (I am exclusive on DT). So I guess that the 4 cents goes...where?
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Dudau
603 posts
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Message posted at 06/01/2014, 00:58:52 AM by Dudau - member is an admin
The 0.38 subs are sold in US and the taxes are withheld.
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Gmargittai
347 posts
67
Message posted at 06/01/2014, 10:33:06 AM by Gmargittai
Fred compared this pilot with the Pizza shop pilot that eventually turned out very well and the guy who did it is one of the wealthiest man on earth.

Pardon my skepticism but I have a feeling this will not happen in our case.

I did not opt out although the first instinct was to do it. Let them try. I am exclusive so I am not competing with my own photos on other sites.

It is true the pictures appearing under my name belong to me, but this is not entirely true either Don't forget, exclusives get at 20c bonus for each accepted image, not a lot of money, but it is comparable with what other sites pay for a download. So one can look at it this way. DT paid me on acceptance (a pittance) but they did invested their own money. So yes, they have some skin in the game beside the whole business which goes through a difficult period now. Look at it as a pay cut. During difficult times some companies ask their employees to accept a pay cut.

I had a lot of fun on this site during the years, they made me improve my photos immensely, I am grateful and hope for the best for them and the entire community.



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Fred11
177 posts
Message posted at 06/01/2014, 11:33:57 AM by Fred11

Originally posted by Gmargittai:
Quoted Message: Fred compared this pilot with the Pizza shop pilot that eventually turned out very well and the guy who did it is one of the wealthiest man on earth.Pardon my skepticism but I have a feeling this will not happen in our case.I did not opt out although the first instinct was to do it. Let them try. I am exclusive so I am not competing with my own photos on other sites. It is true the pictures appearing under my name belong to me, but this is not entirely true either Don`t forget, exclusives get at 20c bonus for each accepted image, not a lot of money, but it is comparable with what other sites pay for a download. So one can look at it this way. DT paid me on acceptance (a pittance) but they did invested their own money. So yes, they have some skin in the game beside the whole business which goes through a difficult period now. Look at it as a pay cut. During difficult times some companies ask their employees to accept a pay cut. I had a lot of fun on this site during the years, they made me improve my photos immensely, I am grateful and hope for the best for them and the entire community.


Well, you know you have to be a bit flexible and read between the lines, right? no we are not going to be the new Warren Buffets, not even a Gates and well, not even a tiny little Duke of Westminster BUT, it might save you from the Dole que. haha. just kidding.

Nah, it was just to point out that lots and lots of successful business starts off with some sort of pilot test or whatever.
As I said earlier, I rather be part of something then not.
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Alvera
2660 posts
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Message posted at 06/01/2014, 13:12:55 PM by Alvera

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: The 0.38 subs are sold in US and the taxes are withheld.

Thanks Viorel. Another mistery revealed.
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Alvera
2660 posts
77
Message posted at 06/01/2014, 13:17:25 PM by Alvera

Originally posted by Libux77:
Quoted Message: Alvera, you make me laugh too much... LLLLLLLLLLOL :D

DT offer me 200% commission for every happy contributor. In your case the big llllllol brings me 600%. Thanks. Please send me your PayPal id to send you 0.2%.
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Gmargittai
347 posts
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Message edited at 06/01/2014, 14:53:14 PM by Gmargittai

Originally posted by Fred11:
Quoted Message: Well, you know you have to be a bit flexible and read between the lines, right? no we are not going to be the new Warren Buffets, not even a Gates and well, not even a tiny little Duke of Westminster BUT, it might save you from the Dole que. haha. just kidding.Nah, it was just to point out that lots and lots of successful business starts off with some sort of pilot test or whatever.As I said earlier, I rather be part of something then not.


That's OK. I understand. Unfortunately to me this pilot seems an act of a business being attacked by a larger one and trying to cope rather than a well planned marketing idea.

I am on your side. I am willing to help. I also want to be part of something than nothing. In trying times I am willing to take a pay cut for the greater good.


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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 06/02/2014, 08:16:38 AM by Wisconsinart
In 40 years of doing freelance art I've had many opportunities to "gain exposure." When translated, "Gain Exposure" really means working for free.

I suspect DT is following the lead of the other agency which has recently offered its entire inventory for free under certain circumstances. They term the project as a promotional scheme yet the agency is receiving income from advertising.

If DT is doing the same thing, then it would be great if some of the revenue was passed on to the Contributors. Exclusives could get 62% instead of 60% from sales, etc.

For those of you who are at the beginning of their 40 year journey, you will find it fairly easy to have your work published or used in some capacity. You will also find all the exposure you could ever hope for if you're willing to work for free.

If this new program takes off, I hope there will be a reward for Contributors that goes beyond "Exposure."
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Alvera
2660 posts
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Message posted at 06/02/2014, 08:26:05 AM by Alvera
We all hope this, Wisconsinart. I read your blog too and agree completely with you. Regards.
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Fred11
177 posts
Message posted at 06/02/2014, 08:44:18 AM by Fred11

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: In 40 years of doing freelance art I`ve had many opportunities to "gain exposure." When translated, "Gain Exposure" really means working for free.I suspect DT is following the lead of the other agency which has recently offered its entire inventory for free under certain circumstances. They term the project as a promotional scheme yet the agency is receiving income from advertising.If DT is doing the same thing, then it would be great if some of the revenue was passed on to the Contributors. Exclusives could get 62% instead of 60% from sales, etc.For those of you who are at the beginning of their 40 year journey, you will find it fairly easy to have your work published or used in some capacity. You will also find all the exposure you could ever hope for if you`re willing to work for free.If this new program takes off, I hope there will be a reward for Contributors that goes beyond "Exposure."


Well if you are thinking about GI and their embedding I can tell you that its a bit different. Its for non-commercial usage.
Not much different from somebody downloading a free comp. However if they then want to use it commercially they will have to pay for it.
You have the other major micro-agency just started the DPC and you have the so called leader who cant get their seach/sort in order so that thousands of large commercial portfolios are suffering badly. Pretty much like Russian roulette, isnt it.

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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 06/02/2014, 09:28:23 AM by Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Fred11:
Quoted Message: Well if you are thinking about GI and their embedding I can tell you that its a bit different. Its for non-commercial usage.Not much different from somebody downloading a free comp. However if they then want to use it commercially they will have to pay for it.You have the other major micro-agency just started the DPC and you have the so called leader who cant get their seach/sort in order so that thousands of large commercial portfolios are suffering badly. Pretty much like Russian roulette, isnt it.


If you saw the "secret" email, it says the images will be used for free and you will "gain exposure." I've heard that so many times over the years I just want to wring the neck of whoever approaches me with such an arrangement. They're helping my career, I will be gaining experience, no matter how it's worded, they just want free images.

That's not to say it's never wrong to give images away for free. I have a handful of images in my portfolio that I'm giving away for free. But it's only a handful.

Fred, the problem with your pizza analogy is once you eat a free pizza, it's gone. You want another one? You'll have to buy it. With free images, they have your image forever, it's not consumed. Need a different picture? Just select another free one. There is virtually an unlimited supply of free images already.

The circumstances may vary but a free image is a free image and I don't get paid for it. I understand the benefits of providing free images but I don't understand the value of giving away the house, either. With GI, it's a limited use scenario but it's still the entire inventory. I still don't quite understand the details of what DT is doing but DT already has a huge library of free images. Why not start with those with the new program?

Who knows, this may pay off big, but please, do not tell me I will be gaining exposure. That was the worst thing they could have said in that (secret) email. If you can't tell me there is revenue opportunity for the Contributor, then why are we doing this?
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Chanevy
588 posts
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Message posted at 06/02/2014, 10:10:33 AM by Chanevy
The images that DT selected from my port are a small portion of the port, and they were not selling anyway-all but one were level zero. The other had 1 sale and is one of my older images. I would likely feel differently if they were giving away images that are actually selling.
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Fred11
177 posts
Message posted at 06/02/2014, 10:28:23 AM by Fred11
Hopefully there will be revenue to be gained? time will tell and if not there is little if anything lost. I am putting my selected 90 images on the line and dont mind, for a short time.

Anyway I am not trying to convince anybody here, its still up to each and everyone here to make up their own mind.
Its a business decision, a private business decision.

Same as with FT, I opted-out! but with the promise of opting-in, as soon as they have introduced ELs, etc.

The GI embedding dont concern me. I have been with their house-collection since 94 and my collection there is strictly RM and under a different account, etc.

To be honest I dont know where all this micro is going, hell knows? lots of people seems to put their trust in one single independent micro-agency, laughable really considering thats not much different from being exclusive.

I mean your guess is as good as mine.

best.

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