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Message posted at 07/30/2012, 01:25:25 AM by Keki |
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good luck to all ! |
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Message edited at 07/30/2012, 05:57:49 AM by Admin |
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We have decided to cease this assignment and cease accepting submissions for editorial use that contain images of summer Olympic events or venues that member of the public may not enter or visit without a ticket.
Although our attorneys advise us that there is no legal basis for not accepting photos of athletes taken at the Summer Olympics and made available on a purely editorial basis, we have received a number of comments from some members in the Dreamstime community expressing concern with the propriety of taking photos at some Olympic events where a ticket is required for entry. Taking such photos for non-personal use would appear to violate the terms of the ticket purchase. We are aware that this decision may restrict the consideration of submissions that may have been taken outside of a ticketed event; as it will be difficult to differentiate between which images were taken from venues that required a ticket and those that do not, we ask photographers to act responsible with their submissions (by submitting only images that they are allowed to) and users to be vigilant about any images that may be submitted on the regular submission line.
This decision by Dreamstime should not be interpreted to create a precedent regarding future or past editorial submissions.
We trust this action is responsive to the feedback we have received from our member community, of which we take great pride in being a part.
This assignment is now closed, thank you for your understanding. We're looking forward to your submissions to our newest assignment though. We have announced the new contest earlier today: Self-portrait and we're hoping everyone will have fun participating with portraits of their self. |
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Message posted at 07/30/2012, 05:54:11 AM by Wisconsinart |
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| Originally posted by Tangie: |
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| Quoted Message: .Although our attorneys advise us that there is no legal basis for not accepting photos of athletes taken at the Summer Olympics and made available on a purely editorial basis |
Exactly!
The terms printed on the tickets have no legal foundation.
But it's not my decision to let their lawyers run you over or not. |
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Message edited at 07/30/2012, 15:41:01 PM by Cleaper |
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The attorneys have advised that there is no legal basis for Dreamstime for not ACCEPTING photos - which is exactly what I said in an a post earlier. It wouldn't be Dreamstime breaking any terms and conditions it would be the photographer that had bought the ticket. It is not necessarily about copyright laws it is more about contract law. If you purchase a ticket you are accepting the terms and conditions of it which include you not being allowed to sell the photographs you take at that event. The same goes for if you are at a Madonna or other big named act concert. The last time I got my camera out at a big concert I was screamed at by a security guard and nearly flattened - it was only my point and shoot! I hadn't even reached for my E-30 and telephoto lens that I had somehow managed to get past the security check!! However, again I wouldn't upload an image from a concert to sell because I would be breaking the terms and conditions of the ticket purchase.
This doesn't mean I agree with it all by the way - I think it is all just another way of the big corporates controlling everything! Of course the Olympics is also in cahoots with another ******** agency so this is obviously their way of keeping control of as many of the images as they can in this digital world....sneaky! |
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Message posted at 07/30/2012, 07:25:05 AM by Wisconsinart |
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It just boils down to DT not having the resources to defend their rights if it were to come of that. |
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Message posted at 07/30/2012, 07:56:11 AM by Cleaper |
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Exactly - it would be a nightmare. Which is why I was quite suprised to see that Dreamstime had actually launched the assignment in the first place! |
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 05:21:59 AM by Machiavel |
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Hello folks!
I am back from the Olympics, where I spent 3 days in picturing things and watching very good sport! I can tell you that they scan my bag but did not open it to see what was inside. I am not carrying a big thing, a Canon 450 with one 70-300 and a 28-135.
But, by the way, the assignment for the London Olympics is no more advertised ?
Good luck to all of you !
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 07:29:33 AM by Machiavel |
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Updated news... my set of pictures from the Olympic games has been refused by Dreamstime due to copyright problem... because I took them from the ticket-holder seats (yes, I brought my own tickets... true!). Well, I am not a professionnal photographer and when I saw the new assignment coming from Dreamstime about tue Olympics games, I did not expect my pictures to be refused for copyright problems...
Well, I suppose that there is nothing I can do to change this decision, but I found it a little bit unfair to open an assignment, sugggest to DT contributors that they can participate and then refusing their pictures for copyright problems...
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 07:35:07 AM by Machiavel |
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And well, not accepting these pictures on the editorial basis is also a bit strange, since many other ticketed events are pictured everyday by lots of contributors, and are online and sold everyday...
I will not complain about not beeing able to shoot the event I will not attempt. If I can understand the point of view of contributors about the assignment (while I participated to none of them yet... no chance for me then), I have more difficulties to understand why this would not be possible for editorial purposes only... :-/
If you apply the same rule to everyone, then, no more pictures from Dislayland venues... (because you still have to pay to see it), and all kind of event that are in the "news" and "editorial" sections.
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Message edited at 07/31/2012, 07:36:25 AM by Androniques |
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| Originally posted by Tangie: |
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| Quoted Message: We have decided to cease this assignment and cease accepting submissions for editorial use that contain images of summer Olympic events or venues that member of the public may not enter or visit without a ticket. ... |
Machiavel, see/read the above! Many contributors are upset but nothing to do... |
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 07:59:18 AM by Wisconsinart |
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It's outrageous. No entity has the right to prevent the distribution of news and current events.
All people have the Right to engage with freelance journalism.
But that's how the world works; doing what's right always takes a back seat to whoever has the bigger lawyer or gun. |
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Message edited at 07/31/2012, 08:26:44 AM by Cleaper |
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Yes but they would probably argue that if we were freelance journalists then we would have press accreditation - in which case there would be no problem with us taking photographs and using them editorially! Wisconsinart - do you honestly think it is ok for us to take a dslr into a pop concert and take a high quality image of the performer and then post it on a stock site for sale - even if it is just editorial? I'm all for fighting for photographer's copyright laws (see my thoughts on Pinterest for a start!) but I am not sure if I agree with this practice. Unless I have permission from that venue or the artist I am not sure it is right to sell for commercial gain the images from such a ticketed event if that event says I can't after I have purchased their ticket. If however, I see the same artist performing at a free event or attending a red carpet event then yes I will freely snap away for editorial images. The same goes for the Olympics - I took some editorial shots of the Olympic torch relay - I'm sure this probably broke some of the so called rules but as far as I am concerned I was on public land (actually outside my house) and it happened as a free public event so I took some editorial shots. It was not a paid for ticketed event so no one can stop me or ask me to do otherwise - I have not agreed to anyones terms and conditions by purchasing a ticket.
Again I am surprised that Dreamstime posted this assignment without thinking of the possible implications first. Hopefully Machiavel's refusals won't count towards his/her acceptance ratio!! |
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Message edited at 07/31/2012, 08:23:59 AM by Admin |
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@Machiavel, we hear your frustrations but note this was done in order to protect you as well, not just Dreamstime. Because ultimately you have the responsibility over what you upload. And yes, as Wisconsinart said, some things are debatable or even unenforceable, but it's better to stay safe, especially as their rules are clear about this.
While we still hope to see images from this event, we will do our best to analyze each of them independently. If your image is refused and are still in doubt, it would be best to reply to the refusal email so we can analyze those very images and explain.
Thank you for your understanding. |
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 08:53:09 AM by Wisconsinart |
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Cleaper, you don't need credentials to be a freelance journalist.
A venue or event has the right to ban cameras. But if they are allowed then you have the right to report news and events. Especially international events.
The Olympics Committee is going Nazi to prevent that one image sneaked out and put on a t-shirt for illegal commercial uses.
Our rights our being violated for their desire to make a buck. |
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Message edited at 07/31/2012, 09:22:30 AM by Cleaper |
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Oh I know you don't need them but that is exactly what they would insist upon - and indeed that is what they are saying in their rules that if you don't have the credentials then you can't use your images. As I've said before I don't necessarily support the way that this is at all but if I buy a ticket that is essentially an agreement then I usually do try to abide by its rules. However, at every other opportunity I will try and get a shot if I can!! The made up rule book seems to be spreading too - In the UK some National Heritage places are now putting signs up saying that photographers can't use their images - now that really is out of order! The buildings have been there far longer than the companies that are there to look after them and most of them are on public land! In the world of the internet and digital technology everyone is trying to put a stamp of ownership on everything and trying to make sure that no one else can have an image of what they believe is theirs. Maybe the new assignment is the sign of things to come - we will all just be left taking pictures of ourselves!! :) |
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Message posted at 07/31/2012, 09:26:09 AM by Cleaper |
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Don't forget also that LOCOG and the Olympics have signed up with that other agency that starts with a G and ends with a Y (I can't type it without it turning into *** like a swear word!). That may be the main reason why the rules are so harsh. The other agency will want to monopolise on all of the images - probably even the ones that end up on places like Flickr. They just want to stop everybody else making any money out of it. |
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Message posted at 08/21/2012, 04:14:17 AM by Machiavel |
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And last (now that the games and the polemic is over)... my refusals were counted in my ratio :-( Not all of them were only for copyright reasons, but most of them were...
Hopefully, I never get to upload till the limit assigned to me, but still, I find it a little bit unfair...
Time to go to something else now :-)
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