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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 05/18/2013, 00:51:37 AM by Lenutaidi
Bogdan,I wish you enjoyed by pleasant experiences further:)... again and for you do not is a complaint from me, just trying to do a statistic for those who have more than 350 in portfolio.I agree with you about pleasant experiences!:))Cheers!


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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 04:15:44 AM by Robinstockphotos
There IS something to worry about.
According to what I have studied, the new search preview would affect all small and newer contributors. If sales drop for too long, it is the search preview that is causing it.
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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 05/18/2013, 05:53:06 AM by Lenutaidi
Search preview?...maybe...I'm not sure..contributors who are here under 200 images in portfolio and they have constant several weekly downloads.


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Grisho
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 07:46:36 AM by Grisho - member is an admin
What is a search preview?
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Murdock2013
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 08:42:28 AM by Murdock2013
I am curious too Grigor! Please clarify what you mean by this Pratik.


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Message edited at 05/18/2013, 09:13:12 AM by Robinstockphotos
What I meant is this:

The customer searches for some image. Say, "dog jumping". Then 100 or 200 images would come up under "most relevant" (by default), right?
And what images come up under most relevant category? Mostly the new ones and some level 4 and level 5 ones too...basically a mixture of all levels of images based on some secret DT algorithm. But still, a majority of images that turn up are level 1 or 2 images and new images uploaded recently.

What changed?
Now the new preview doesn't let the buyer see the image level at first glance like the older one did. So the buyer would have to go look at each photo. Some buyers have the "zoom preview" option disabled. So they must totally open the image to see the prices I guess.

Assume that our buyer wants to buy a web resolution "dog jumping" image. He'd hover mouse over an attractive image (obviously, who wants boring pictures?) and find it as level 3. But he wants some level 1 image at low price. So he'd try another one. It turned up level 2. So he would get frustrated clicking and hovering over 200 images on page one. The "most relevant" option used to show up attracive and new files along with image levels. That way we new guys had buyers who want cheap and new and good images. Now there is no way of finding cheap and new and good images without wasting time. Try yourself.

What would he do? He would use the "lowest price" option. That would turn up all kinds of level 0 images of jumping dogs. And level 0 images are old images. New contributors are least likely to satisfy both criteria by providing CHEAP and ATTRACTIVE images because most of their images are not very attractive and are level 1 which turn up only on "most relevant". Not in "most downloaded" or "lowest prices".


I personally have totally stopped using the "most relevant" field while I am searching images to study. It wastes triple my time by hiding away relevant fields like image levels or views etc. I'm assuming buyers would do the same.
Results? So the rough prediction is that newbies would keep getting subscription sales mostly, especially on attractive images. Almost no sales on "usual and no-so-good" images. Credit sales on highly attractive images. But newbies don't have a professional portfolio. We don't have 2000 stunning images. Results? I had 25+ sales a month, this month I have had 6.
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Murdock2013
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 09:29:33 AM by Murdock2013
If you are right Pratik its not worth being Exclusive on here.. I know some fellow contributors are saying its all stats.. and I hope they are right!! I have not sold one in the past 16 days..in the 16 days before that I sold 10. If what you say is true there will be a lot of unhappy contributors on here..


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Grisho
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 09:43:08 AM by Grisho - member is an admin

Originally posted by Robinstockphotos:
Quoted Message: He`d hover mouse over an attractive image (obviously, who wants boring pictures?) and find it as level 3. But he wants some level 1 image at low price.


The buyer would just use the advanced search and avoid this problem.
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 11:10:48 AM by Robinstockphotos
@Grisho: People would have if they were used to it. But this is a change - from comfort to discomfort. You know how people are. DT was popular for its search preview. I know because I have friends who buy stuff too. I myself search around a lot even though I don't buy.

@Murdock: Wait till end of next month. I'll collect info from 20 people and write a blog with conclusion...hoping they'd roll back the changes.
Otherwise I quit exclusivity soon.
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Murdock2013
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 13:41:30 PM by Murdock2013
That will be interesting to see Pratik. I have been keeping an eye on peoples sales here too and most of them recently have slowed down drastically, apart from the big guns who have thousands of images..


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Grisho
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 14:32:39 PM by Grisho - member is an admin
Mine have been steadily increasing over the past few months and I'm wondering what is the cause behind it as I have not increased my portfolio and as you can see I'm not a big gun.
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Imagerybycharly
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Message edited at 05/18/2013, 15:05:23 PM by Imagerybycharly
Personally I like the new look w/o all the info at bottom of images. It's cleaner and more professional looking imho and by holding your cursor over an image the stats are visiible. When I go looking for images, mostly use the advance search and will check exclusive to see what's out there. Can't say I understand why the change would effect sales, since stock sites have highs/lows like most businesses.

It's true I'm very new here, but I have been with another stock site for 6 mo. There I have about 190 images up with around 50 sales, which would be approx. inline with you Pratik on DT. I've always been of the belief that with less than 1000 images up and a wide variety of genre, one would be limited to the amount of sales, unless you are in a high demand niche; great vector illustrations for instance.

So I wouldn't worry about a shift in sales with such low images online, but would if I had over 1000 and each month was like that. The first month at the other site I had 0 sales and they don't have levels/views/sales shown with searches, first month here 3 with one of them the first week. My guess is more often than not buyers are looking at the latest uploads, as some of them have been around for a long time. Others are clueless how to search whereas nothing would make a difference and yet a good amount prolly use Advance Search. But it still all boils down to do we have an image the buyer is looking for that particular month.


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Message edited at 05/18/2013, 15:26:05 PM by Robinstockphotos
Grisho, Your sales would slowly increase even if you stopped uploading...IF people like your photos enough to pay level 2 or 3 prices. A sold photo is also placed higher on search results. :)

Charly, agreed with you. Too small a port right now to say anything, but as Murdock2013 has observed, sales of most small and new contributors has decreased, which completely agrees with my prediction (which I made the day the preview looks changed). Big guys have more experience and better stuff that would attract people wherever it comes up.

You are not exclusive, so it is not going to affect you as badly as us. You can still target specific imagery to specific sites. It is possible that I could have gotten greater sales on the site where you got 50 sales? Or maybe I'd not have gotten even 10 sales. Depends on site specific factors.

Murdock2013: You have good images too and you and me are in more or less the same state right now. But believe me, do some reading about other sites. I have a really bad feeling about these changes and they may make us go somewhere else. I'll wait till I have 750 or 1000 images (need material to start outside). Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I really don't like the current site condition (including excessive instability). :/
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 05/18/2013, 15:43:20 PM by Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Lenutaidi:
Quoted Message: Maybe there`s something wrong with my portfolio.....


I've been at DreamsTime for four years and three months and this is the FIRST TIME EVER SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT.

There have been many, many threads like this and they are always full of bad advice and always full of excuses. Only the "chosen few" rank high in the searches. The DT programmers are idiots because they don't know how to write a decent algorithm. Once a Contributor complained about how Buyers are stupid because none of them knew how to conduct a proper search.

There are two reasons why a portfolio will under-perform: (1) The portfolio is filled with subjects that do not sell well (2) The portfolio is filled with images that are not up to par with the competition.

This does not mean a Contributor is a bad photographer/illustrator. Everyone, even Yuri Arcurs, places somewhere on the learning curve and still has much to learn about the industry.

The wonderful thing about stock is it's a job/business where you can progress at your own pace. But the first step is to stop making excuses and SELF CRITIQUE your portfolio and find ways to advance.
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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 05/19/2013, 02:26:51 AM by Lenutaidi
@Wisconsinart :"The portfolio is filled with subjects that do not sell well"....I agree.
"The portfolio is filled with images that are not up to par with the competition"...I agree.
Regarding Yuri Arcurs,I think this guy has nothing more to learn in terms of stock photography!He is the "father" of us all who have this passion/job/business/hobby.Yuri is even father site administrators in my opinion.Yuri Arcurs and Andres Rodriguez are fathers of stock whether you like it or not. Wisconsinart,for me this activity is just a hobby.When you truly understand this then you will understand and I do not live in this and you will understand that I am allowed to ask questions, to ask for opinions, to try to make a statistical if possible.I do not know if I would ever improve myself and turn this hobby into a business.Make a difference, Wisconsinart!For you is a job/business,for me is hobby.I have a job.Cheers!:)
P.S.I will follow your advice ...but I'm allowed to ask questions??Is not permitted to be curious?THANK YOU,Wisconsinart that you let me.:))Cheers!


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Amilevin
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Message posted at 05/19/2013, 03:52:43 AM by Amilevin
Don't worry, It happens...
I have a bit more than 350 images and between April and May I had 15 days with no sales.

What I try to do - keep on uploading and try to increase my AR.

Luckily I had success with both of my goals.
I'm now trying to see if countinous uploading will gve me better results with sales.
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Message posted at 05/19/2013, 05:11:16 AM by Robinstockphotos
Now now, no use debating this.
@Wisconsinart: I'm not saying buyers can't search. What I'm saying is buyers wouldn't come across our photos more often now. By our I mean "the small guys".

Whether what I said is true or not, we'd know in a few months. Meanwhile I'd be coming up with better stuff.

I'm off this thread now. Lets see what happens.
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Lenutaidi
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Message posted at 05/19/2013, 05:28:16 AM by Lenutaidi
Yes,Amilevin I understand.Yes,Robin I agree with you.I'm off this thread now. Lets see what happens.Cheers!


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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 05/19/2013, 05:36:38 AM by Wisconsinart
It's a fact of life, telling people what they want to hear makes you more popular.
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Imagerybycharly
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Message posted at 05/19/2013, 07:50:30 AM by Imagerybycharly
I'm perplexed as to why anyone who does this as hobby would complain about no sales for 15 days or site Yuri when they don't plan to make this a business like he did. Of course he's a great photog, one that I'd love to be as good as. Yet I'm a realist, knowing if I don't better myself as a photographer and learn what will make good stock selling images, this will be prolly a hobby for me also. With that will come small, periodic sales.... But I'm going to give it a shot seriously and hope to upload at least 1000 approved images over the next 6 months, as I think I have a handle now on what is needed at DT to get approved. Perhaps I won't make that goal, albeit I know it won't happen if I don't try or only wish to talk about it.

Now I only have 52 pending images and want to add another 20-30 today, so need to get to work and off here. ;) Have a great day everyone!


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