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Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Angelaostafichuk:
Quoted Message: I`m happy with ANY sale. I think it`s just cool that someone thought my work was good enough to use. And on the bright side. if you are to travel ..that 42 cents on the other side of the world can buy a few rides on the bus or a tasty snack! I know it`s not a lot in North America BUT it does add up.


Being paid well for a job done well is more cool.
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Posted: 06/11/2013, 23:04:09 PM
Kolphotos

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: I always shake my head when I see threads like this. "Just raise the prices!" No one remembers last year when DT did that and the sales suddenly stopped?


Who are you quoting? No one in this entire thread has suggested raising the prices? I'd be in favour of lowering all prices and scrapping the subscription packages altogether, or at least reconsider the download limits, 25 downloads per day as an entry level subscription service is ridiculous in my opinion.
Edited: 06/12/2013, 07:37:11 AM
Wisconsinart
You got one guy who thinks it's cool working for free.
Nikon D800, D100, Canon G15
Posted: 06/12/2013, 08:35:36 AM
Igordabari

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: You got one guy who thinks it`s cool working for free.


"If the rape is unavoidable one should try to relax and get a pleasure" (c)

We are discussing the point pretending that our discussion is able to change something. Which isn't a case, in fact. :)
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Edited: 06/12/2013, 12:44:52 PM
Zpphoto
YAY! I had 5 subscription sales for MAX res photos! Nice! (BLAH!)
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Posted: 06/24/2013, 17:02:03 PM
Nikon4004
Subscriptions are teh basis for micro stock. Without them, we would not haev any income
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Posted: 06/26/2013, 10:24:05 AM
Bradcalkins

Originally posted by Nikon4004:
Quoted Message: Subscriptions are teh basis for micro stock. Without them, we would not haev any income


Now that just isn't true! Every day buyers purchase my images with credits. They are a fact of life in microstock, and while most major sites have them some sites do exist that don't offer subs.
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Posted: 06/26/2013, 13:45:15 PM
Alvera

Originally posted by Igordabari:
Quoted Message: We are discussing the point pretending that our discussion is able to change something. Which isn`t a case, in fact. :)


Someday you will receive a letter: Dear user, your thoughts and ideas from thread #xxxxx was in concordance with our mathemathical prediction. You are hired and our main computer is fired. :))
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Posted: 06/26/2013, 15:59:15 PM
Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: Now that just isn`t true! Every day buyers purchase my images with credits. They are a fact of life in microstock, and while most major sites have them some sites do exist that don`t offer subs.


Yup. I'm going to come across as mean and nasty but people who are grateful and thrilled just to get a sub sale really shouldn't be in stock.
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Posted: 06/27/2013, 06:24:08 AM
Digikhmer
It I am not mistaken, the level 5 subscription wasn't 42 cents for a exclusive contributor ... I was recently very surprise to see it in my last level5 sale. In 06/06/2012 the same level 5 picture was sold for $1.26 as subscription sale. Now, what is the advantage to have a picture reaching level5 ?
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Posted: 07/04/2013, 09:00:23 AM
Bradcalkins

Originally posted by Digikhmer:
Quoted Message: It I am not mistaken, the level 5 subscription wasn`t 42 cents for a exclusive contributor ... I was recently very surprise to see it in my last level5 sale. In 06/06/2012 the same level 5 picture was sold for $1.26 as subscription sale. Now, what is the advantage to have a picture reaching level5 ?


There is no advantage for sub sales to be at level 5 other than better placement in searches.
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Posted: 07/04/2013, 09:26:33 AM
Digikhmer

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: There is no advantage for sub sales to be at level 5 other than better placement in searches.


I am so sorry to say that it is not completely true. By default, the sorting system show the "most relevant" which doesn't take care about the level except "best selling" or "most download"
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Posted: 07/04/2013, 10:29:18 AM
Bradcalkins

Originally posted by Digikhmer:
Quoted Message: I am so sorry to say that it is not completely true. By default, the sorting system show the "most relevant" which doesn`t take care about the level except "best selling" or "most download"


True, I was referring to the two options you mention - but I would be surprised to find that number of downloads plays NO role in the "most relevant" results... How do you know it plays no role in that option? Also keep in mind that the default has changhed over time and results are tweaked.
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Posted: 07/04/2013, 10:59:08 AM
Digikhmer

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: True, I was referring to the two options you mention - but I would be surprised to find that number of downloads plays NO role in the "most relevant" results... How do you know it plays no role in that option? Also keep in mind that the default has changhed over time and results are tweaked.


I don't wait to pollute or slide the topic of this thread which is about the retribution of a subscription. I was very surprised that my last sold picture was a "RAW" format and a level 5 and it has been paid 0.42 cents!

I am agree that 0.42c + 0.42c .... will make $100. All this things, the cause is the market becomes more and more competitive with more and more contributors.
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Posted: 07/04/2013, 13:08:54 PM
Vincentho
So long as the business is sustainable, with enough contributors to contribute and designers to purchase the subscription packages, the world isn't going to change, that's the common law of business balance.
Posted: 07/04/2013, 22:17:13 PM
Digikhmer

Originally posted by Vincentho:
Quoted Message: So long as the business is sustainable, with enough contributors to contribute and designers to purchase the subscription packages, the world isn`t going to change, that`s the common law of business balance.


I think you forgot the agencies and contributors in this business.
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Posted: 07/05/2013, 00:09:29 AM
Alvera
I think we forgot about Google street view in this business :)
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Posted: 07/05/2013, 00:38:16 AM
Pulsar124
I think the right way to approach this issue is to ask the contributors here: what fraction of your total income comes from subs, and what is the fraction of subs in terms of number of sales? If the first number is small, and the second is fairly large, then both contributors and DT will likely benefit from scrapping subs altogether. The logic will be: a fraction of those who buy subs would still buy the photos with credits, and screw the rest, as long as both us and DT will start earning more (because credit sales bring in much more cash per sale).

As a proxy, you can use RPD. In 2012-2013, my RPD was ~2.70$ on average, despite the fact that I had a lot of sub sales (which give 0.42 per download, me being exclusive). That alone suggest that by far the most of my income came from credits sales, not from subs. And if only a small fraction (~15%) of subs buyers agreed to buy my photos with credits, while the rest didn't buy any, I'd still get more money.

Here is a specific example, of my best selling (level 5) photo. It had 60 sales, essentially half of which (27) were subs. The total earning are 213.53$, were 13.18$ come from subs, and the rest (200.35$) come from credits. RPD for credit sales is 6.07$, for subs - 0.49$. If there were no sub category, it would be sufficient for only 10% (or three sales) of my sub buyers to buy it with credits (and the rest 90% not to buy anything) to increase my total earnings: 3 credits sales x 6.07$ = 18.21$, which is more than my whole subs income for this photo, 13.18$. Of course, level 5 photo is probably not a typical example, but it does give you an idea.
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Edited: 07/05/2013, 11:13:41 AM
Pulsar124
A separate issue - I noticed that since 2012 all my sub sales only earn 0.42$ per sale. I am exclusive photographer, and remember earning before 0.82$ per sub sale.

Do you exclusive photographers earn 0.42, or 0.82 per sale? May be there is a mistake in my earnings calculation?

Okay, I found the answer - they indeed made it only 0.42 per sub, regardless of your exclusivity. It used to be 0.82. One more reason not to choose exclusivity.
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Edited: 07/05/2013, 11:42:21 AM
Red
Posted: 07/05/2013, 11:18:51 AM
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