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Balance and Keywording

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Message posted at 12/18/2013, 04:33:56 AM by Paulmartin198
I have 50 images online and have been fortunate to have three sales, however I would like some honest critique on my portfolio. Where i may be going wrong, whether i have the right sort of balance of shots and if some of my keywording is relevant to the subjects.

Thank you in advance

Paul
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Dieniti
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Message posted at 12/18/2013, 06:51:03 AM by Dieniti
Hi Paul!
You have some nice shoots in your Portfolio!
Sad to say, animal Pictures don`t sell well since there are too many Pictures already online. Since this is the case you have to be even more precise with your keywords in order for your Pictures to be found. So start with, adding the latin names of the animals and plants, would be good. Have look how other contributor are doing it or enter the english Name of the animal in Wikipedia and see what is found there.
In Addition to that you should try to cover more Genres. Have a look at magazines, advertisement and see what is in demand. Normaly People shoots sell quite good.
And Keep on uploading!
Wish you all the best and much fun here!
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Red
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Message edited at 12/18/2013, 08:22:20 AM by Red
Great animal shots but there is much competition. I don't know anything about the vintage planes but that is a niche that you might see sales from. There are some minor keyword problems - don't copy and paste keywords without looking at the differences between the photos. In two tiger images you've included the word clouds but there are clouds in only one of the images. Your fox images include the word den and burrow and they are portraits of fox that are not in a den or burrow. Meerkat image with word Cotswold doesn't apply as it could be meerkats anywhere. Don't put the word zoo in your animal photos unless it is obvious or else you will limit their use. Buyers search for specific animals more often than animals in the zoo. Your caterpillar is not larvae, well caterpillars are the larval form of butterflies so I guess that's not totally wrong. These are only minor and you have just the right number of keywords, not too many. Well done.


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Parkinsonsniper
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Message posted at 12/19/2013, 17:23:41 PM by Parkinsonsniper
Do you shoot in jpeg and upload without any process?
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Wisconsinart
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Message edited at 12/19/2013, 19:30:19 PM by Wisconsinart
Common images with low COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL. The images are a bit flat, too, it would be good to process them and make them "pop."

The fox image below is an example. I would have cranked up the red on the fox a bit more. I would have brightened the eyes to make them stand out. You could have done a variety of editing tricks for the background. One idea is to crank up the color of the grass a bit. Or go the other route and lower the background saturation so the fox stands out better. Some blades of grass in the background are a bit distracting, I would have cloned them out.

 Red Fox 
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Parkinsonsniper
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Message posted at 12/19/2013, 21:12:29 PM by Parkinsonsniper
Wisconsinart, that fox was the reason of my question. Good point...
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Message posted at 12/22/2013, 13:48:35 PM by Robinstockphotos
   Scanning for threats   

Images like the above, you should not include keywords like "sky", "search", etc. And your title is "scanning for threats", which will probably make you lose buyers. It is better to stay on the topic, upload a whole series of different shots of one animal and make a collection. Title them descriptively. If you want to know what I mean, you can try searching "meerkat" and in the "most downloaded" category, check the info of the first 3 bestselling images. They are all by Nice Smith

His portfolio should help and inspire you. :)
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Message posted at 12/24/2013, 01:18:22 AM by Paulmartin198

Originally posted by Parkinsonsniper:
Quoted Message: Do you shoot in jpeg and upload without any process?


No i shoot in raw only and process.

Thank you all for taking the time to reply this has been very helpful and given me lots to think about
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Parkinsonsniper
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Message posted at 12/24/2013, 11:22:35 AM by Parkinsonsniper

Originally posted by Paulmartin198:
Quoted Message: No i shoot in raw only and process.Thank you all for taking the time to reply this has been very helpful and given me lots to think about


The the very first thing you have to do is to upgrade your processing skills. Your images should be more pop and catchy. I don't mean more saturation or more contrast...you should process the image according to the the concept and subject.
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Silent47
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Message posted at 01/04/2014, 16:29:26 PM by Silent47

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: Common images with low COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL. The images are a bit flat, too, it would be good to process them and make them "pop."The fox image below is an example. I would have cranked up the red on the fox a bit more. I would have brightened the eyes to make them stand out. You could have done a variety of editing tricks for the background. One idea is to crank up the color of the grass a bit. Or go the other route and lower the background saturation so the fox stands out better. Some blades of grass in the background are a bit distracting, I would have cloned them out. Red Fox 


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Message posted at 01/06/2014, 07:14:19 AM by Paulmartin198

Originally posted by Parkinsonsniper:
Quoted Message: The the very first thing you have to do is to upgrade your processing skills. Your images should be more pop and catchy. I don`t mean more saturation or more contrast...you should process the image according to the the concept and subject.


I agree this is not my strong area, I always worry about over doing things and am being to conservative with the processing.

Again thank you for the constructive comments its given my quite a bit to think about.

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Nhksystems
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Message posted at 06/02/2014, 13:42:11 PM by Nhksystems
I questioned in the past about my imbedded keywords inside my images. After the images where uploaded for submission, my two worded and phrase keywords where either omitted or broken up. In a reply 0n 4/17/14 I was sent this answer: "Our script doesn't accept punctuation signs. The system doesn't accept expressions, phrases in key wording. The keywords are placed alphabetically".

On 5/25/14 I opened a email from no reply@dreamstime.com and in part it had "Trending searches". After looking over the "Trending searches", I seen two worded keywords and phrases. I emailed DT about this on 5/31/14 asking "If buyers are using phrases and two worded keywords (which makes sense) that I may have use when I submitted images and your script knock them out"?

The reply came on 6/2/14 from Malina Tudoroiu. "If the terms are used to describe exactly what the images reflect, rest assured that your images will be found in the search option".

My question to contributors is: have you had your two worded keywords and phrases broken up into single words and some where not listed at all after they have been uploaded?

I also asked: "if you could show me that they have a chance to be found". "I did search using my keywords as they now exist on the site and after looking through many pages I can't see any of my images".

Based on the replies I got on 4/17/14, the trending searches email and the reply on 6/2/14 from Malina Tudoroiu, can anyone see something wrong with this picture. Or is it just me.
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1000wordsimages
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Message posted at 06/04/2014, 03:13:53 AM by 1000wordsimages
Hello Nsasi,

On Dreamtime two worded keywords doesnt exist. For example if you would put the following:

house, New York, traffic lights, street, green lights,

Dreamstime will split it automatically like that:

house, new, york, traffic, lights, street, green,


The word "lights" you used two times and Dreamstime will delete duplicates. So thats why it looks like you are "missing" keywords.

Mirco


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Red
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Message posted at 06/04/2014, 06:25:13 AM by Red
Nhksystems, Your keywords are a bit too conceptual. You need to use words that describe what is actually in the photos too, and it is good to repeat important words in the title, description and keywords. Here are some good resources on keywording - http://blog.dreamstime.com/search-tag-keywords


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Nhksystems
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Message posted at 06/04/2014, 11:28:18 AM by Nhksystems
Thank you Mirco for bringing that out. However, I don't have repeated words in my list of two word keywords. When I find something omitted I just put it back and it or they stay in the list. If you can see the "Trending searches" email I got you would see that when someone search for images the use a phrase or two words. If this is the case, how would breaking up my phrase or two word's help to locate my image.

I am aware I'm young at DT and I may have a long way to go. My images are probably too far in the back of listed pages. I would like to have a way of knowing what page they exist on. This would help me some to get listed better.
Nsasi
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I would like to ask Red how was it that my keywords are conceptual? How did you see that? My descriptions allways describe what my image is and I also use a word or two words in my description (which are broken up) in my keywords. This is the root of my trying to understand how are my images located in searches. I see they get a lot of views but no comments are left.
Nsasi
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Red
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Message edited at 06/04/2014, 14:07:12 PM by Red
If you want to include, for example, the phrase bass player and it is split up and the buyer puts bass player in their search your image will appear because the keywords contain both words. It doesn't have to be a phrase but you do need both words in the keywords.

Here's an example -

   bass player genie   

Here are your keywords -

conceptual creative musical props photos objects instruments images staged toys illusions photographs

You don't need the word photos (plural), photographs, images (every file on DT is an image). You can search for a photo or illustration in the advanced search so you don't have to have either word in your keywords. The words creative, conceptual or illusions are not needed (creative is a broad term and a buyer will probably not use it in a search). What illusion or concept are you trying to illustrate in your set-up, if you can define the idea behind the shot use that instead of the vague word illusion.

Props connotes a play or a theater production. Objects could apply to most images here so does that word help define your image? You should have genie, aladdin, bass, violin, playing, musician, and perhaps rename the image to Genie playing a bass violin. If I may ask, what use do you think a buyer might find for this image? If they need a genie would they want one playing a musical instrument? If they want a musical instrument image would they want a genie in it? I don't see the connection between a genie and a violin? Perhaps you should find a magic lamp to put with the genie?

I'm not being critical, just trying to help. You need to keyword and title your image as if you were a buyer, not the photographer. Buyers start searching using 2 or 3 words so try and choose the most important words that describe what is in your images, not what they represent and put them in your title, description and keywords.


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Nhksystems
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Message posted at 06/05/2014, 09:53:01 AM by Nhksystems
Thank you Rob, you point is well taken. I needed to see what could help me and what I don't have to use in my keywords. All though I wont to keep my title, description and keywords consistent. I can see by your help that I could do a better job of that.

As for your questions, I can only say that you can never know what will sell if you don't submit what you come up with. I am a creative photographer and creative people are not always understood. However, if your work can get the right exposure anything can happen.

It is good of you to have taken the time to respond to my post. Thank you very much
Nsasi
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Nhksystems
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Message posted at 06/05/2014, 09:56:15 AM by Nhksystems
I won't to apologize to Red by addressing you as Rob.
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Red
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Message edited at 06/05/2014, 11:56:46 AM by Red
Red, Rob, Ruth - call me anything but don't call me late for supper! No apology needed. I used to have red hair before I went into microstock and the ups and downs have turned it gray! Yes, you are very creative but perhaps you'd do better on a site that sells Fine Art. Time will tell and you never know what a buyer may search for. Microstock is a strange business, here is a blog that might help you understand it better if you want to make some money - Microstock for Fun and Profit


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Message posted at 06/15/2014, 07:11:03 AM by Lindaelizabeth
Red, I want to thank you for your wonderful explanation of key wording. I already had a reasonable understanding of it, but your detailed examples made my comprehension even more solid.

Although I joined DT a couple of years ago I've only just recently become serious about uploading images. Several times other contributors have said that we should see what kinds of images are hot right now and upload images that fit the demand. My question is: how exactly can I find out what's in demand? Looking at magazines seems to be pointless (although it's probably very useful) because I know they work many months in advance--so they're already thinking about images for their Fall issues.

Any help would be appreciated.


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