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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 02:44:10 AM by Adashi |
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Quoted Message: Two question:
1- when will it be possible to upload this new kind of image?
2- The last two days i took part to two events in Italy, the first is a concert make in Bologna cause this city has been honorified form UNESCo as " CITY OF THE MUSIC". All the best italian star ttok part and also PATTY SMITH. I have some shot that cover the event without showing the face of anybody. Today i shot a march of kurdish people in Bologna protesting against Turkey government for freedom. Are these event that could interest dreamstime?
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1 - Until everything is in place and the feature is fully functional, you upload the images as usual then e-mail us with the File ID for a priority review.
2 - Yes, we are interested in having images from these events. Just make sure that the pictures are following everything that was discussed in this thread. |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 03:18:37 AM by Jborzicchi |
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| Originally posted by Adashi: |
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Quoted Message: [quote]Two question:
1- when will it be possible to upload this new kind of image?
2- The last two days i took part to two events in Italy, the first is a concert make in Bologna cause this city has been honorified form UNESCo as " CITY OF THE MUSIC". All the best italian star ttok part and also PATTY SMITH. I have some shot that cover the event without showing the face of anybody. Today i shot a march of kurdish people in Bologna protesting against Turkey government for freedom. Are these event that could interest dreamstime?
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1 - Until everything is in place and the feature is fully functional, you upload the images as usual then e-mail us with the File ID for a priority review.
2 - Yes, we are interested in having images from these events. Just make sure that the pictures are following everything that was discussed in this thread.[/quote]
clearly shooting these events and not showing faces is very dificult.
I managed to shoot a tv operators from the back, while is recording the scene, is it goot to download? |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 04:47:13 AM by Nyul |
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I am sad if 'Newsroom" can not work because I really liked that name. It was simple, direct and easy to understand. 'Topical shots' doesn't sound as direct and accessable for the ears of a non-english speaker. I don't like it. Not to mention that is sounds like tropical shots :)
Not that I have a better suggestion. |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 07:54:11 AM by Wysiwygfoto |
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How about "we want you to be our photographer on the street" as a catch phrase. I think this would clear up the difference that we are seeing between the assumption of what has been called events photography or street photography as compared to editorial photography. |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 07:59:26 AM by Scubabartek |
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Call it Current Events or News Relevant or In the News or Media Spotlight |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 11:55:03 AM by Bmcent1 |
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I don't have a strong opinion on this one. But here is an example, just today (!), of confusion that ensued over a stock photo used in a news-y way on a website.
It is a soldier with the military logo on his beret removed. Before the photographer himself chimed in to explain the situation, the bloggers thought they'd broken a story wide open about photochopping an image because they zoomed in 200% or more and noticed a smoothing of the pixels where the logo was removed.
Turns out the photog removed the logo to be able to put the image up for sale. The customer who used it did not alter the image... but it it set the blog world aflutter for a while.
Story:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22868_Democratic_Party_Fauxtoshops_Veteran#comments
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 15:02:04 PM by Badboo |
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This sounds complicated...
Newsworthy and retouched seems to be a dangerous mix.
Image alteration is heavily subjective and since probably not all DT reviewers know all cultural signs, forms of communications, hints, messages this could backfire.
I don't understand why it simply can't be editorial - end of story... Others do it too and it doesn't seem to be a problem at all. Why make it so complicated? |
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Message edited at 10/09/2006, 16:34:51 PM by Docpixel |
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I don't have a good feeling about this, but if it's viewed as another TYPE of STOCK, I could see it working. Especially if we called it, "Current Stock". Heavy on the stock part.
I say this because emphasis on news or events could really cause problems. For the site and for the photographers, especially newbies, who might get into some awkward positions because of their lack of knowledge.
Creative idea, but I think it needs a whole lot more work. |
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 18:18:16 PM by Paulcowan |
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I'm 100% with Sophie on this. No reputable news agency would take photos with bits cloned out of them and it would be harmful to the reputation of publications to be fed a supply of altered material.
Call it street photography, community photography - whatever. But not photojournalism and not Newsroom either, thank you. Well, that's my opinion as the editor in charge of a daily newspaper.
There is a place like this that takes editorial stock. I see no reason why there should be any problem with it - just label it clearly as editorial use only (you can add a check box for confirmation, if you like).
DT gets full marks for working on new ideas - but new ideas are not automatiocally good ideas.
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Message posted at 10/09/2006, 20:47:27 PM by Pictureone.net |
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I agree with your statement that "DT gets full marks for working on new ideas - but new ideas are not automatiocally good ideas"
Here is how I see it:
1. I think that Dreamstime is the best stock website on the web.
2. I think that Dreamstime had an interesting idea, but are somehow spooked by having faces and logos in the photos without releases, even under the "Editorial" guidelines. Surely a company as successful as Dreamstime is smart enough to learn the rules of editorial photographs. Then get comfortable with it, and put it into place.
3. If Dreamstime doesn't decides to do it right, and not all of this no faces and no logos stuff, and altering photos so that it can not have faces and logo (when it is perfectly legal to do under editorial), then they are just wasting their time. Move on to a new idea. This is sooooooo simple.
4. And newsworthy photographs are time sensitive. Dreamstime has to get the photos approved and posted quickly. By the time you alter the photo to make it fit under Dreamstime's rules (fixing them to take out logo and faces) the photo will be stale. Imagine if you worked for a newspaper as a photographer, then spent your entire day trying to photograph people from the rear or trying to "tell a story" with creative photography.
I don't post much, but I had to check on this this one.
DT, I challange you to step out and do this right the first time. You will create a worldwide army of photo soldiers. |
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Message edited at 10/10/2006, 01:56:35 AM by Admin |
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People, read our statements before posting. I've seen a lot of remarks such as "hey, why you encourage them to alter news photos".
This is highly unsuggested. It was suggested only for logos that do not affect the character of the news and are in secondary plane, unrelated to the news.
Furthermore this is supposed to be a creative exercise AND not photojournalism as AP or Reuters. We don't expect to compete with them at all, as long as our contributors most probably will hear the news right on these sites.
This is a site-scale assignment with a different type of theme. Due to the nature of the requirements, we expect a very low flow of news-related images, so there is no need for an editorial license.
Please read everything mentioned above and ask if something is not clear. Don't post without reading, because from now on the moderators have a clear way to delete your posts. |
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Message edited at 10/10/2006, 06:22:04 AM by Nyul |
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To pour oil on troubled waters I see the following alternate solutions:
- Make it clear for downloaders that newroom (or any other name) images are not photojournalism but photo illustrations of an event. So they may be lightly modified in PS. Or, just make it clear in case of images where logos were removed.
- Allow the full editorial like another site does but of course as Achilles said it can confuse people... well I don't know, but DT knows the market and customers much better then I do.
- Allow clearly visible masking of faces and logos with an ugly blur- or black-box like newspaper do some times. But of course imaged like that can not be regular stock images later.
- Allow only those photos wich are untouched, I mean where it is not needed to clone out anything because there were no visible logos or faces in the frame ever.
- Call it as it is, stock images of the recent events and just be more forgiving with composition and noise... well, I think this is something what DT really wants.
These are the alternatives I see the best. |
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Message posted at 10/10/2006, 06:35:42 AM by Pictureone.net |
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Take a deep breath, moderator. And don't take the postings to heart. The postings are meant to improve and not detract or cause anyone to get upset.
I read the entire post, prior to my posting. This is the way that I interperted the posts. That is not to suggest that I did not read them. My last post was my suggestion to DT on how it could be done. I hope that DT and the moderators are still open to suggestions. I read what Achilles has posted, and I was suggesting otherwise.....if suggesting is still ok.
Don't get twisted because we don't all agree......and because we interperted the summation of the previous posts differently. |
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Message posted at 10/10/2006, 07:37:44 AM by Rcmathiraj |
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I suggest a titlle NewStock |
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Message posted at 10/10/2006, 09:53:55 AM by Nyul |
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| Originally posted by Rcmathiraj: |
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| Quoted Message: I suggest a titlle NewStock |
It is a good suggestion, I like it. |
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Message edited at 10/11/2006, 08:46:52 AM by Admin |
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During the heated discussions on this thread, it seems that the original scope of this new addition to our website was lost, so I will offer some clarification on this matter.
This is not photojournalism. We are not interested in entering the news reporting market. What we are doing with this new feature is slightly broadening the spectrum of images that we provide.
It seems like everyone confuses this with our agency entering the field of news reporting. This was probably induced by the regretable use of the word "photojournalist", which was singled out and pushed into a whole different context by the lengthy discussions on the messaging boards, even though we used it metaphorically, and not literally.
These are images that can help illustrate a certain event, without being vital to the news reporting process, and they are not meant to have the same historical and archival value as images provided by established news reporting agencies.
Regarding the strongly discussed matter of image manipulation:
- copyright removal: should only be employed when the removed logo does not take part in the story at all (it is not relevant), if a logo or brand is directly involved in the event and removing it from an image renders the picture irrelevant, that image cannot be submitted.
- recognizable faces: this is a very tricky matter, it should all be done by image composition with the camera, facial blurring is not acceptable.
Since the ultimate purpose of these images is to remain in the stock database, using boxes to cover faces and/or logos is not viable. |
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Message edited at 10/12/2006, 01:09:20 AM by Shootalot |
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I got these two photos accepted under the general catagory. With luck everyone is turned away from the camera and you just need to clone out clothing logos but not the protest signs. I just wonder if you photograph a photo of a protest sign yet the sign has the face of an individual-I guess you would need a release for the person. Many protests concern torture and ethnic cleansing in countries such as china and Iraq or Iran. Almost always the sign has the photo of a victim included.
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Message posted at 10/12/2006, 02:32:47 AM by Adashi |
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Shootalot: The images are ok as news-worthy if they are very recent. Please send an e-mail to support with details regarding the event.
Note: some news may not be accepted or tagged as content filtered. |
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Message posted at 10/12/2006, 04:14:01 AM by Jborzicchi |
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so it's possible to upload news shot?? i have a group of shot of recent events, and i'm waiting to upload it. |
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Message posted at 10/12/2006, 04:28:02 AM by Adashi |
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Yes it is possible, but since the system is not in place just yet, upload the images as any other images then e-mail support with the IDs of the pictures for a priority review. Don't forget to offer a description of the event in the e-mail to support. |
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