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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 03:09:32 AM by Sugarfree.sk |
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| Originally posted by Nikitu: |
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| Quoted Message: Images are reviewed first then keyworded. If an image is refused then it doesn't get in the keymasters program. |
and how long does it approx. take to refund back earnings if refused picture? |
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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 03:27:32 AM by Nikitu - member is an admin |
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The earnings balance is updated at regular intervals. The refund is immediate right after the image is refused. |
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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 05:02:42 AM by Rheascope |
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I have question - where we can see example of image with keymaster's work ? It seems not right that after we pay for work we can't see work and we dont know if it will help with image sale ? LOL sounds like joke to me . Who will use such service ? If I see what I am paying for and especialy I see results (which are why I need such work ) then I can pay for work . Am I right ??
Rheascope .
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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 05:44:44 AM by Maigi |
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| Originally posted by Achilles: |
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| Quoted Message: Unfortunately, this was not scheduled and the pending ones cannot participate. The review time decreased a lot lately so I doubt that there will be too many that slip through... Even if we add this option, until we do all that's required, the pending files will be reviewed... |
It's okay.
Thanks for the answer. |
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Message edited at 11/29/2006, 07:16:27 AM by Admin |
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| Originally posted by Rheascope: |
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Quoted Message: I have question - where we can see example of image with keymaster's work ? It seems not right that after we pay for work we can't see work and we dont know if it will help with image sale ? LOL sounds like joke to me . Who will use such service ? If I see what I am paying for and especialy I see results (which are why I need such work ) then I can pay for work . Am I right ??
Rheascope .
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You are able to see the title and description. They should be relevant for the quality of their work. The editors review them and their opinion is neutre.
The suggestions may not be exactly what you had in mind when you shot that image.
Nonetheless they would be pertinent and depicting accurately the thumbnail.
This means that the information provided by keymaster is unbiased (because contributors add a share of self-partiality) and should MATCH what the buyers see.
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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 17:53:29 PM by Sugarfree.sk |
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| Originally posted by Nikitu: |
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| Quoted Message: The earnings balance is updated at regular intervals. The refund is immediate right after the image is refused. |
Four of my images uploaded to keywording were refused like 24 hours ago, but no refund so far... I already contacted support several hours ago from form in bottom of the page but still no reply, no refund :( |
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Message posted at 11/29/2006, 22:16:28 PM by Rheascope |
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Thanks for info .
Achilles , I asked about example of such work , can we see at least 1 image with perfect keywording that done by this new service ? Or just point me to 1 or 2 images with good keywords , please !
Some note from me , I am not native english speaker too but I have experience and knowledge with such work because I sell at many other agencies ,so this service could save lots of time for me and improve my work but for such photographers/ artists who are not exclusive it is useless when we cant see keywords after we paid for them because we need them for other sites to add to EXIF data .
Well , I was looking at your new uploads and noticed that keywords there unavailable , are you using such service too ? If so , then I need to add just one important advice to our keyword masters , if you see picture of flower , animal , plant etc it is not enough to write just "pink flower" or other stuff , it is very important to add real scientific name of this particular subject , this will increase sales and image will find right customer more often .
Rheascope .
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 01:43:39 AM by Nikitu - member is an admin |
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The people who work on keywording your images have lot of experience in writing and communication as well as in English.
To have their work displayed public on the site for you to copy it and use it on other stock sites would simply not be fair. How would you like to keyword images and then see those keywords used in many other places? |
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Message edited at 11/30/2006, 04:44:15 AM by Pinfoldphotos |
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| Originally posted by Sugarfree.sk: |
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| Quoted Message: [quote]The earnings balance is updated at regular intervals. The refund is immediate right after the image is refused. |
I made a suggestion earlier in this thread which would solve this problem, and also ensure that keymasters are rewarded for sales rather than volume. The full text of my idea was as follows - nobody commented on it at the time, but perhaps now that the system is in operation it is worth considering in view of some recent comments :
I wondered if you had considered an alternative means of payment, based on the sales of the keyworded image rather than a flat rate per image.
For example, do not make an initial charge for the service to the contributor, but after keywording divert (say) 5% of any contributors earnings on that image to the account of the keymaster. Likewise, the keymaster is not payed for the initial keywording but gains 5% of the contributors earnings on that image.
I believe this would have several beneficial effects.
1. There is no initial outlay by the contributor, no sales no cost. This I believe would encourage the service to be used more than charging a flat rate on every single image.
2. The keymaster is rewarded for his/her efforts - in theory a better keyworded image will sell better. The flat rate payment does not reward better work. Income from this would also be steady and rise with time, in much the same way as building a portfolio does. (An option may be included here to limit the 5% payment to the first 6 months of sales)
3. The keymaster will not feel they are working against the clock in order to make money, but will find that taking more care and putting more effort in will reap the rewards in the end, effectively leading to better keyworded images.
4. The customer will find the image they want as more images will be keyworded more effectively.
I realise that such a payment scheme would be more complicated to set up, but I think it is worth considering........unless you've already done that! |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 04:47:28 AM by Nikitu - member is an admin |
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Your idea is interesting but at this point it would be to hard to implement and would not be justified. We do keep it in mind though and see how things will develop in the future. |
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Message edited at 11/30/2006, 05:56:31 AM by Admin |
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Actually Rheascope, you are right. I will search some of my images and post the info here.
Later edit:
Yes, I do use this service and most of the editors here will be using it. Managing Dreamstime leaves little room for uploading images, so representing you guys means that we cannot upload as much as we want to. That's unfair competition no? :))) just kidding.
title: Flowering Crop
description: Flowering nasturtium plant growing in soil.
keywords: crop, cultivate, dirt, flower, garden, gardening, grow, growing, leaf, legume, majus, nasturtium, plant, soil, tropaeolum, vegetable
Your statement was very good. Yes, flowers need to have their scientific name. In this case, as you can see it was added.
I didn't provided any tips to the keymaster. I had no idea what type of flower is, so what you see here is entirely added by the keymaster. I think she did a great job finding the type of flower (I did a search after nasturtium).
A caption is required from the contributor especially for this. However, if you don't provide enough info, it's pure luck if the keymaster will know some specific detail like this one. Or not luck, but his/her merit. ;)
title: Hammock Amongst Palms
description: A hammock amongst palm trees on a beautiful beach in Key West, Florida
keywords: beach, blue, clouds, coast, coastal, florida, green, hammock, holiday, key, ocean, palm, palm-tree, palms, peace, quiet, relaxation, resort, rest, sand, sandy, sea, sea-shore, serenity, shore, shoreline , sky, tranquility, trees, trip, tropic, tropical, vacation, waves, west
This is another submission from my portfolio. The info is just what I expected, clear, comprehensive and accurate. He did need a caption about the location - "Key West" is the only info I provided.
title: Beauty On Blue 21
description: Portrait of a young smiling woman in profile, looking over her right shoulder, leaning back against a wall. Taken in studio with a blue background.
keywords: alluring, appealing, attractive, beauty, blue, captivating, charming, cute, desirable, enticing, fascinating, female, fetching, flirtatious, girl, grin, inviting, irresistible, lady, lean, lovely, people, person, pleasant, portrait, pretty, provocative, seductive, serious, sexy, smile, smirk, studio, teenager, tempting, thoughtful, wall, woman
Another example, from our inhouse portfolio now. The image has a concept so more keywords were provided. She (the keymaster) provided synonyms and a very good description.
These were selected randomly, each belongs to a different keymaster. Keep in mind that these were keyworded in their first days. They need to adapt to our requirements and we need to tweak the system. For example if the editor finds serious issues (very unlikely, but we review them thoroughly) the image is sent back to the keymaster for full re-keywording. Mistakes are being monitored and archived in order to allow both admin and keymasters to improve the system.
Maybe some of you will do better keywording. But once the keymasters perfectionate themselves, I can say only one thing: I LOVE THEM! :)) |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 05:39:01 AM by Stuartkey |
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Actually, I'm in favour of not showing the keywords on any of the images - not just the ones entered by Keymasters. After all, I put just as much work into my keywording as any of the Keymasters do - as far as I'm concerned anyway...
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Message edited at 11/30/2006, 06:03:59 AM by Admin |
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| Originally posted by Pinfoldphotos: |
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I wondered if you had considered an alternative means of payment, based on the sales of the keyworded image rather than a flat rate per image.
For example, do not make an initial charge for the service to the contributor, but after keywording divert (say) 5% of any contributors earnings on that image to the account of the keymaster. Likewise, the keymaster is not payed for the initial keywording but gains 5% of the contributors earnings on that image.
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We considered this and we did notice your suggestion. Unfortunately, it cannot be done, mainly from two major reasons:
1. technically it would be very difficult to integrate it
2. a good image needs good keywords in order to sell. without them, there is no chance to be sold. However, unless the image is good, there are little chances to be sold, even after the buyer finds it.
So, good keywording doesn't warrant sales unless the image is good.
If the image doesn't sell, the keymaster doesn't earn anything, but he/she provided the required services. It is true that contributor should be protected and assured that the keywording is done in a professional way. That's what the editors review and why the keymasters are selected among skilled members.
We are thankful to all users that applied for a keymaster position. We would love to have you join our team, but we need to keep a small team out of consistency reasons. Some of you will be contacted later depending on the number of contributors using this program, some of you may never hear from us.
If you are not contacted, please don't take it personally, there will be other opportunities to look for in 2007 ;) |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 06:06:46 AM by Achilles - member is an admin |
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Stuart, their work will eventually be available on the site. When we launched the site, this was one of the things that intrigued many contributors. Being a community means to share our work with others. You help them improve and they help you.
Dreamstime is the most transparent one in stock as you've seen so far.
Providing this information proves that we are not favoring anyone within the search results and that we are all equals in front of the buyer. |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 06:38:47 AM by Pinfoldphotos |
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Achilles,
Thanks for your detailed reply - I can see the difficulties it would raise where images do not sell, and agree that good keywording does not guarantee sales alone, the image has to be good in the first place.
I suppose I was just looking for a way of rewarding particularly good keywording based on sales related income, whilst avoiding the initial outlay from the contributor. As you rightly point out, the flaw in my idea is the amount of unrewarded work a keymaster may have to do on images which do not sell.
Thanks for giving it some thought.
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 07:05:04 AM by Sugarfree.sk |
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| Originally posted by Sugarfree.sk: |
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| Quoted Message: [quote]The earnings balance is updated at regular intervals. The refund is immediate right after the image is refused. |
Four of my images uploaded to keywording were refused like 24 hours ago, but no refund so far... I already contacted support several hours ago from form in bottom of the page but still no reply, no refund :([/quote]
Still no change... no reply, no change in my earnings balance... should I wait more or should I contact again tech support? |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 07:22:32 AM by Achilles - member is an admin |
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Quoted Message: Achilles,
Thanks for your detailed reply - I can see the difficulties it would raise where images do not sell, and agree that good keywording does not guarantee sales alone, the image has to be good in the first place.
I suppose I was just looking for a way of rewarding particularly good keywording based on sales related income, whilst avoiding the initial outlay from the contributor. As you rightly point out, the flaw in my idea is the amount of unrewarded work a keymaster may have to do on images which do not sell.
Thanks for giving it some thought.
Ian. |
I forgot to add that we will monitor the sales made through the keymasters program: Keymaster-based or keymastered vs. non-keymastered image. |
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Message edited at 11/30/2006, 07:23:27 AM by Admin |
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| Originally posted by Sugarfree.sk: |
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Still no change... no reply, no change in my earnings balance... should I wait more or should I contact again tech support? |
Please email support, that glitch was fixed yesterday, your account should be updated by now. |
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Message posted at 11/30/2006, 14:08:46 PM by Rheascope |
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Thanks Achilles ! Now at least I can see what we are dealing with .
Here is something new I wanted to propose to Dreamstime . How about to add 1 separate keywording service , I am sure there will be users who are interested in this same as me . What if we will pay some flat fee ( do not make it too high but maybe twise higher then normal keyword srvice that you have now which is 20 cents ) for keywording itself . For example I upload new image and request its keywording , I am getting back by email keywords with description even if my image is not accepted . It is just another service like I am hiring keyword master just like customer hiring designer .
It would be great if after I keyword image myself I will see difference between my key work and keymaster work . I would use this service a lot if their work could be better then my , if their work has no difference I probably could work as keymaster myself :-)
Thanks again .
Rheascope .
P.S. I dont like proposed formula based on % sales of keyworded images . Image is main work and all sales must go to photographer , keymaster has nothing to do with my sales , he/her must get just one flat fee if his/her help needed . Many people think that keywording will solve whole problem and they will see constant sales . That is not correct , good image with useful subject goes first and good keywording just helping image find its customer . |
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Message posted at 12/04/2006, 14:39:36 PM by Dbajurin |
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Any sales with keymastered images? |
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