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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 01:12:07 AM by Achilles - member is an admin |
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| Originally posted by Madelaide: |
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Quoted Message: This is what the earnings report on that image says:
02/27/2007 13:35 Member download Level 1 1 credit (old) $0.50 maximum (RF)
So it was the large version (maximum) sold to someone with old credits. A 16MPix illustration for mere 50c... I will hate the subscription sales for 25c!!
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No offense but an illustration should have an additional format if you want to provide the best quality and to charge the highest price. The fact it was a 16 MP raster requires no extra effort from the contributor's side. You just save it at higher res. Btw, we've seen illustrations submitted at 110MP in raster!
The fact that there will be subscription sales, bringing lower royalties than before has been explained several times in this thread. Even with them your revenue will increase a lot.
And if you are an older contributor and have a significant portfolio, it will increase A LOT: it can be double or even triple.
Now, this increase is supported by the buyers. Even if they will have the option to buy new files at similar or the same prices as before, their average investment per image will increase.
Once again, you are asked to keep this in mind whenever you see a subscription sale. That's their only choice for lower prices and it comes with certain restrictions. Subscriptions are very different than credit packages. With credits, a buyer will download only the image he needs. With a subscription he may download extra images, just in case....So, is better to receive a lower royalty for that image, than no royalty at all.
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Nikon D300 / Nikon N80 | Nikon 10.5mm f/2.8G ED AF DX Fishey...
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 04:23:45 AM by Sid - member is an admin |
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| Originally posted by Stuartkey: |
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Quoted Message: i have an assignment file from last year - therefore allocated 100 downloads - which has had 92 actual downloads, giving it a total of 192 downloads.
Why is it showing as a level 3 and not a level 4?
EDITED TO ADD: Weird. On my profile page the small thumbnail popup says it is Level 3, but everywhere else, ie, portfolio and searches, list it correctly as level 4...
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Fixed, thanks for letting us know. |
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 07:02:55 AM by Godfer |
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This is excellent, I have had at least as many downloads as normal today and earnt over double the money that I would have made two days ago:) |
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Canon 5D MK II
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 07:17:59 AM by Has1sue |
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The drinks are on you Mandy ;) :D
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Canon 5D MK11/ 24-105L 17-40L 70-200L/iMac/CS2
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 11:06:49 AM by Godfer |
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Come and get them Sue! I will invite you to a couple of drinks and some nice sunshine hehe! :) |
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Canon 5D MK II
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 12:20:40 PM by Lisafx |
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| Originally posted by Achilles: |
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Once again, you are asked to keep this in mind whenever you see a subscription sale. That's their only choice for lower prices and it comes with certain restrictions. Subscriptions are very different than credit packages. With credits, a buyer will download only the image he needs. With a subscription he may download extra images, just in case....So, is better to receive a lower royalty for that image, than no royalty at all.
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This is absolutely true in my experience. From selling on subscription only sites I have noticed that subscribers are likely to download several or all images from a series where that doesn't happen in a per/image only situation.
The subscription model is sort of like a buffet. The price is the same so they will load up on images that they may or man not actually end up using.
I am already enjoying the higher royalties and sales and the subscriptions will only add to that, not take anything away from it. |
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Canon 5D, 40D, Various lenses, flashes, studio lights, light...
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 14:43:52 PM by Ghubonamin |
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Is this true you now sell hiresolution images up to 16,7Mpix for 25cents? What kind of price-increase is this? Where can i option out for subscription sales? At least let me delete some files which i don't want to see to go away for 25cents.
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 14:49:19 PM by Mpalis |
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just wonderful |
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Nikon D300s, Nikon D80 Nikon F80, Leica C1,
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 15:13:01 PM by Bmcent1 |
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| Originally posted by Ghubonamin: |
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Quoted Message: Is this true you now sell hiresolution images up to 16,7Mpix for 25cents? What kind of price-increase is this? Where can i option out for subscription sales? At least let me delete some files which i don't want to see to go away for 25cents.
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First, let me say I'm excited about the price increase and this seems like a really smooth roll-out on DT's part!
But, I do agree with Ghubonamin on this one point. DT is the only site with a six month lock in on uploaded images. When we uploaded, we had no idea that pricing would go from $1 or more commission for the contributor on large files down to $0.25. There is another site with a subscription model and it works very well, but many people cap their uploads there at 4 to 6MP. If buyers want an 8MP+ image for a magazine cover or full page spread, they should pay more than $0.25 for it. In my opinion, it would be very nice to offer contributors three options:
1) Opt out
2) Opt in but limit subscription sales to 4MP
3) Opt in exactly as the program is today.
Now, I also want to end on a positive note. Keep in mind that all these subscription sales are going to move your files up through the levels much more quickly so even $0.25 sales may help increase your monthly royalties soon and moreso over time. |
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I am now using the 12.4 million pixel Nikon D2Xs. My portfol...
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 15:50:56 PM by Digitalkris |
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call me stupid but I still don't get it...
i have 10.1 mp pictures all from level 1. and still their price is 2credits. is it like this?
regards
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 16:14:12 PM by Berlinfoto |
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Is the new price structure now working, or not? I sold 2 images (level 1), maximum size, but got only 1.20!? Is this correct?
thx for answers and best regards from berlin
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Nikon D3
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 19:04:14 PM by SeregaI |
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Completely agree with Ghubonamin.
We ahve signed our images for 6 month lock given the old rules. Now the rules are changoing - let us either withdraw images that we don't want to go for 0.25, or let us opt-out option, or restrict subscription to web-resolution only!!! |
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Nikon D200 with various lenses.
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Message edited at 02/28/2007, 19:51:05 PM by Madelaide |
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| Originally posted by Achilles: |
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Quoted Message: [quote]This is what the earnings report on that image says:
02/27/2007 13:35 Member download Level 1 1 credit (old) $0.50 maximum (RF)
So it was the large version (maximum) sold to someone with old credits. A 16MPix illustration for mere 50c... I will hate the subscription sales for 25c!!
Regards,
Adelaide |
No offense but an illustration should have an additional format if you want to provide the best quality and to charge the highest price. The fact it was a 16 MP raster requires no extra effort from the contributor's side. (...)
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Achilles,
The fact that it was an illustration (and a very simple one in fact) has no merit in this subject, it was just the eample that I experienced. Was it a high res image I would be as much upset. And although it certainly required no more effort for me to produce the high-res image, it anyway allows a much broader use for the buyer than a web-size image would.
I don't like to have cheap sales even if they're plenty. I like a fair price for my "product". I don't sell my images in low-price-subscription-only sites no matter how people may be satisfied with the large amount of sales, because I think it's unfair to the contributor to have his work sold for so little. But it's not the subject of this thread anyway, and I don't want to start a debate on this, as each person has a different view.
My point is - and it has been expressed by others before - that the new price structure may favour subscription sales and I fear they may become the gross sales in here. I saw other sites changing price plans, but not reducing commission (I can't tell about all sites, of course, but the main ones). I know sites who also have subscription sales, one at least for the same 25c commission, but their price structure apparently doesn't favour subscriptions so much, as they make a minority of my sales. Maybe it's early to say if this is what will happen here, but I'm not alone in this concern.
You have stated before that opting out would not be an option because it limits the buyers' choices and I understand that (it might even turn the subscription plan a failure if too many people opted out), but at least limiting the size of the subscription images to no more than 2 or 3Mpix, which is more than enough for most uses - a 4Mpix image may already be enough to fill a page!. If someone wants a high res image, pay for it!
Regards,
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Mainly Canon A620 for microstock
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 20:57:01 PM by Dennist1 |
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I do agree that when the rules change, we should have an option as to whether we want to accept the changes or not - referring to the 6 month lock in - whether that choice be an opt-out or a 30 day period to withdraw portfolio. DT has asked us to commit to 6 months ... we in turn need some commitment as to what can go on during that period. I don't mind the current changes, and would not pull any images because of it, but I'm just not sure it is right to change the terms of a contract without consent from both parties.
As for subscription sales, I consider earnings by the formula dollars income/time spent - thats the formula that really affects my life. I can tell you that a subscription based site is earning me more dollars per month than any other site with the identical uploads. Simple math brings that to more dollars earned per hour spent. DT, please don't take offense to this statement - the percentage of difference is a single digit number so I am not putting down DT in the least. Rather, just trying to encourage some to give it a chance before they pass judgement.
I think many are of the mindset of this being artistic work; although it obviously has an artistic component to it, it really is building a product to satisfy a need/demand. People for the most part do not buy stock images because of their artistic value; they buy them as a supply that is needed to create their ad/website product. While the value of art lies in the eye of the beholder and could never be acurate with set pricing, the value of a product is defined by supply and demand. It is in DT's best interest to find that balance point; and so I have no doubt that their efforts are designed to optimize my income as well as their own. I also have little doubt in their competence to do so; they haven't made it to the current status in the industry without knowing or learning a couple things along the way.
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Message posted at 02/28/2007, 22:02:15 PM by Travelling-light |
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Have the changes been fully rolled out now, or are we still waiting for more? I'm a bit confused as to why we only got 60 cents for a maximum exclusive image. Thanks
Linda |
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Pentax K10D from December 2006,
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Message edited at 02/28/2007, 22:13:26 PM by SeregaI |
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| Originally posted by Travelling-light: |
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Quoted Message: Have the changes been fully rolled out now, or are we still waiting for more? I'm a bit confused as to why we only got 60 cents for a maximum exclusive image. Thanks
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See the same.
I guess this is new pricing in action. I guess we will miss Good Old Days when we had $1 royalties. |
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Nikon D200 with various lenses.
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Message posted at 03/01/2007, 02:36:36 AM by Danijelm |
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| Originally posted by Travelling-light: |
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Quoted Message: Have the changes been fully rolled out now, or are we still waiting for more? I'm a bit confused as to why we only got 60 cents for a maximum exclusive image. Thanks
Linda |
As I see, new level range is already working, new prices already working.
Yet to come more image sizes.
Regards,
Danijel |
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Canon EOS 350D, 50mm 1.8, 18-55mm lens, Flash Speedlite 430E...
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Message posted at 03/01/2007, 03:07:15 AM by Travelling-light |
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| Originally posted by Danijelm: |
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Quoted Message: [quote]Have the changes been fully rolled out now, or are we still waiting for more? I'm a bit confused as to why we only got 60 cents for a maximum exclusive image. Thanks
Linda |
As I see, new level range is already working, new prices already working.
Yet to come more image sizes.
Regards,
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And yet some people have received $4.80 for level 5 maximum. It's not clear to me why this should be. 60 cents is just 1 old credit, is it not? Shouldn't a level 1 maximum exclusive be 4 credits? |
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Pentax K10D from December 2006,
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Message edited at 03/01/2007, 03:21:13 AM by Cwwmbm |
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Some of you guys just don't get it do you. Subscription model gives you an advantage - buyers can and will download not only one image from the series - they will download few of them. So your 25 cents will be multiplied. Not to mention that in addition you will nice 2-3-4 bucks royalties for the high res images. When I see posts like "I want high royalties so can I opt-in for 2-3-4 bucks royalties and opt-out for subscription royalties?" I wonder - when you buy yourself a house do you say "Can I opt-in for living in this house but opt-out from paying for it?" |
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Canon 30D
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Message edited at 03/01/2007, 03:35:12 AM by Andresr |
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| Originally posted by Cwwmbm: |
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Quoted Message: Some of you guys just don't get it do you. Subscription model gives you an advantage - buyers can and will download not only one image from the series - they will download few of them. So your 25 cents will be multiplied. Not to mention that in addition you will nice 2-3-4 bucks royalties for the high res images. When I see posts like "I want high royalties so can I opt-in for 2-3-4 bucks royalties and opt-out for subscription royalties?"
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A lot of people don't understand the subscription model, they don't understand that clients are not really paying .25 for each photo to be used, they pay a $89 or something subscription and will download 200-300 photos in a month to use maybe 10 or 15 .....
Say I am a designer (good old days when I was one), and I have this brochure to design so I need 20 photos, I can pay $40 for the 20 photos and that's it .... each of the photographers get $1 comissions, so that's $20 in comissions right?
But the new subscription system is good in this example because I can pay $89 and I am allowed to download 300 but I don't have the time say I download 200 photos that I think can also work. At the end of the day I have more freedom to play around with photos so my design is better and what happens to the photographers at DT? from the 200 photos I downloaded the total comissions paid were $50 for photographers.
So the total out in comissions in the subscription model was $50 and with the individual sales was $40 ..... more royalties with the subscription and not to mention that 180 photographers got comissions for 180 photos that would just sit in my hard disk eternally.
........ you can't compare subscriptions with individual sales, read, understand the concepts and then complain if you like, dont just complain because you see lower numbers.
Many photos in microstock make more money to photographers than in traditional agencies where they giveyou $150 per photo and in microstock well around $1 ..... lower prices doesn't mean lower income at the end, if you don't believe me ask Fiat, who a few years ago, bought Ferrari. |
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Canon 5D,
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