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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 13:34:58 PM by Avion49 |
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Here of late, I have started doing simple things that can be repeated in various colors. Things such as the emotiguy holding a sign, models pointing to a blank space. So far I haven't submitted a lot of any single image in different colors, 3 different colors of the same image being the most. But I'm wondering just how far I should go with this? After wasting time recently doing a render only to have to start over because a texture blurred when rendered larger, I've started making hi-resolution (8.4 MP) textures. Obviously I can repeat any one texture in assorted colors, but I'm wondering how I can best tell when enough is enough? The easy answer is when the reviewers start rejecting them! but I'd rather not take the rejections if it can be avoided. So tell me, how do you tell?
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Lightart
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 13:57:19 PM by Lightart |
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| Originally posted by Avion49: |
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Quoted Message: Obviously I can repeat any one texture in assorted colors, but I'm wondering how I can best tell when enough is enough? The easy answer is when the reviewers start rejecting them! but I'd rather not take the rejections if it can be avoided. So tell me, how do you tell?
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 15:59:10 PM by Avion49 |
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Okay, maybe I said it wrong. I have this image...
in basic yellow, turquoise, dark coral and a blue metal in the pending line. Now, how many different colors would you create?
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Lightart
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Message edited at 04/20/2007, 16:17:08 PM by Lightart |
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| Originally posted by Avion49: |
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Quoted Message: Okay, maybe I said it wrong. I have this image...in basic yellow, turquoise, dark coral and a blue metal in the pending line. Now, how many different colors would you create?
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Hmmm, I don't know whether the designers would want to do color changes themselves. .or to what extent they actually engage in that sort of editing. . but frankly I'd upload as many iterations as you think would work. . and see what happens. I wouldn't worry about the rejections unless you feel your approval percentage will drop dramatically or something. |
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Pinfoldphotos
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 16:30:17 PM by Pinfoldphotos |
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I couldn't put a number on how many would be accepted, but I would think it is fair to have a range of colours for buyers to choose from. Line them up and see what's missing!
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Easystreet
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 16:44:47 PM by Easystreet |
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As a former image buyer, I really didn't care WHAT color something was. I am good enough in photoshop to change almost anything.
Now not everyone is a photoshop nerd. So I would think one dark one and one light one...maybe one more in a medium tone? |
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Lightart
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Message edited at 04/20/2007, 16:50:37 PM by Lightart |
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Quoted Message: As a former image buyer, I really didn't care WHAT color something was. I am good enough in photoshop to change almost anything.
Now not everyone is a photoshop nerd. So I would think one dark one and one light one...maybe one more in a medium tone? |
And I would think maybe an unsaturated RGB as well??? |
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Yevettem
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Message posted at 04/20/2007, 17:11:34 PM by Yevettem |
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| Originally posted by Easystreet: |
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Quoted Message: As a former image buyer, I really didn't care WHAT color something was. I am good enough in photoshop to change almost anything.
Now not everyone is a photoshop nerd. So I would think one dark one and one light one...maybe one more in a medium tone? |
Good point, but I buy images here too - and if I can find something in the right color it sure makes it a lot easier and saves time when you have a deadline. Choices are good. |
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/21/2007, 04:23:21 AM by Avion49 |
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| Originally posted by Lightart: |
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And I would think maybe an unsaturated RGB as well??? |
Okay, you'll have to explain that one a little bit further. The silly things only take 20 min or so to render at 8.4MP so I could churn them out all day long. I've also got a star with a sign, and a flower with a sign.
Thanks!
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Ichtor
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Message posted at 04/21/2007, 08:45:37 AM by Ichtor |
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I guess that in the end it's up to the reviewers and the buyers. If the images get past the reviewers, it probably means they're ok with a lotta iterations. It's true that you can change the colors easily in Photoshop but on the other hand some people might not want to do that.
If I were you, instead of churning out dozens of color variations, I'd rather try to create different images altogether. That would cover an even broader range of buyers' needs. |
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/21/2007, 09:57:19 AM by Avion49 |
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| Originally posted by Ichtor: |
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Quoted Message: I guess that in the end it's up to the reviewers and the buyers. If the images get past the reviewers, it probably means they're ok with a lotta iterations. It's true that you can change the colors easily in Photoshop but on the other hand some people might not want to do that.
If I were you, instead of churning out dozens of color variations, I'd rather try to create different images altogether. That would cover an even broader range of buyers' needs. |
*snicker* Right now I'm on a bit of advertising kick. I've got several emoticons holding signs, a teenager pointing to copy space, a woman pointing to copy space, and I'm thinking about other possibilities.
Besides these, I've started creating hi-resolution textures that could be used by individuals making 3D models. One of my pet peeves is that until you spend the hours rendering something at it's final size, you have no clue whether the textures are good enough. The textures are something that can't be easily photoshopped to different colors.
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Adammson
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Message posted at 04/21/2007, 17:08:00 PM by Adammson |
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When it comes to images for backgrounds, I tend to go with the color that most people prefer, blues and reds. In your case, emoticons, I suggest creating versions closest to skins of basic ethnicities. I do realize that these are cartoons but try experimenting with beige, light mocha, light yellow, light orange and see what happens. The versions you have in green, turquiose, yellow and orange are all good. The green one would be big for St. Patrick's. As far as when to stop, I wouldn't make too many versions of one image, designers find it tiring, and at times uninspiring...always leave the client wanting more. Hope this helps. |
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/22/2007, 05:02:21 AM by Avion49 |
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All the ideas are good. I don't want to flood the designers with endless repetitions of the same thing, but I do want to catch those who are thinking "If only you had it in {insert color}"
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Sangiorzboy
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Message edited at 04/23/2007, 02:57:18 AM by Admin |
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I think the best way is to go on the ethnic relevancy, as Adammson pointed out.
Also you should rather expand the range of colors on different images, instead of submitting 8 variations of the same image, you should propose a wider variety of colors on, let's say 3 or 4 slightly different images. |
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/23/2007, 03:58:41 AM by Avion49 |
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| Originally posted by Sangiorzboy: |
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Quoted Message: I think the best way is to go on the ethnic relevancy, as Adammson pointed out.
Also you should rather expand the range of colors on different images, instead of submitting 8 variations of the same image, you should propose a wider variety of colors on, let's say 3 or 4 slightly different images. |
This was the direction I'm heading in. I've currently got 3 different emotiguys and 2 different females that I'm doing variations on. For the ladies, I'm varying both the skin tones, hair, eyes, and clothing.
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Bogdan
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Message posted at 04/23/2007, 04:33:53 AM by Bogdan |
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I would suggest making a collage of 4, 6, 8, 9, 10 pictures of the same object with different color, compressed in a huge file. In one view the buyer will see the possibilities and will download the picture even if his mind is set on only one color. I think it will be more easy for the buyer, for the inspectors, and for you too, as you only have to upload only one image. This will concentrate the downloads on one image which will reach higher levels faster...
... my opinion,
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/23/2007, 14:53:51 PM by Avion49 |
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| Originally posted by Bogdan: |
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Quoted Message: I would suggest making a collage of 4, 6, 8, 9, 10 pictures of the same object with different color, compressed in a huge file. In one view the buyer will see the possibilities and will download the picture even if his mind is set on only one color. I think it will be more easy for the buyer, for the inspectors, and for you too, as you only have to upload only one image. This will concentrate the downloads on one image which will reach higher levels faster...
... my opinion,
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Anyone else have an opinion on this approach?
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Yevettem
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Message edited at 04/23/2007, 15:29:41 PM by Yevettem |
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That sounds like a darn good idea to me! :) Although, if you did that, I would suspect that the buyer would rather have the additional format, eps or ai, so that they could get the size that the needed without loosing any quality. A jpg of a bunch of little illustrations would be almost worthless unless the end result was to be small anyway. (4 might be OK, but I think 10 would be too many in one file without the additional format.) |
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Avion49
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Message posted at 04/25/2007, 01:31:40 AM by Avion49 |
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| Originally posted by Yevettem: |
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| Quoted Message: That sounds like a darn good idea to me! :) Although, if you did that, I would suspect that the buyer would rather have the additional format, eps or ai, so that they could get the size that the needed without loosing any quality. A jpg of a bunch of little illustrations would be almost worthless unless the end result was to be small anyway. (4 might be OK, but I think 10 would be too many in one file without the additional format.) |
If what I was doing was a vector, then the additional format would be great. But since I'm doing a 3D render, you only get one format. There's no easy way to change the format of the rendered image.
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Ichtor
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Message posted at 04/26/2007, 09:48:16 AM by Ichtor |
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What exactly do you consider a high-res texture?
I create 2D textures sometimes in Photoshop and I keep them at 3000x3000px @ 300dpi. |
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