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should I buy a new camera?

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Dinny
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Message posted at 07/15/2004, 08:43:48 AM by Dinny
I have a Fuji FinePix S602Z. I get frustrated with my image quality when I shoot TIF (which is the highest for the camera); lots of noise, not that sharp, colors sometimes need some help. It is/was a good camera when I bought it. Am I being too picky or is this an issue with other high-end cameras as well? Will I have these same problems with other under $1000 digital cameras.
Canon Digital Rebel XT, FujiFilm S602Zoom

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Ronbloom
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Message posted at 07/15/2004, 10:37:04 AM by Ronbloom
Dinny I used the s602z for quite a while and got a lot of good pictures and sellable ones too. The camera does interpolate so you need to do a lot of post processing to reduce noise and stuff. I did buy a new camera and would recomend to anyone to get an SLR but, If you cant afford it it's still possible to get some good images with the s602z. An slr will probably cost you 1000 or more just for the body depending on the brand then you,ll have to think about lenses and flash or lighting setups. It's quite a jump from the point and shoot cameras but, well worth it in the end especialy if you serious about you photography.
sigma sd9, fuji s602z, Hp scanjet 7400c

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Dinny
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Message posted at 07/15/2004, 15:32:31 PM by Dinny
thanks Ronbloom,

I would love to buy a new camera, but unfortunately, I don't have a spare grand lying around. If I did buy a "better" camera, would I still need to do lots of post processing.



Are you doing the same amount of post processing with your new camera as you did with the s602z?
Canon Digital Rebel XT, FujiFilm S602Zoom

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Shootalot
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Message posted at 07/15/2004, 23:02:50 PM by Shootalot
If I bought a new camera, I would want to cap it at $1000. Some of the new prosumer cameras are at this price like the Sony and Minolta. They do allow manual control and use of filters. These cameras are 8MP models. Also Kodak has a 6.3 MP easy share for $500 but still you cannot use filters and do not have manual control. I have been shooting with a 3.1 MP easy share and have sold some photos with it. About 1/2 my photos come out with too much noise. I wonder if this is true with a higher MP camera. With the prosumer cameras you can set the speed as low as 64 which reduces noise considerably. Anybody have any experience with the prosumer cameras?
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Melking
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Message posted at 07/16/2004, 07:41:32 AM by Melking
I have a SONY F717 but I find it has alot of noise, but I think it maybe because I am not using it right....hehe I need to use more light when I shoot my photos. But other than Noise Problems, I love my SONY!
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Webking
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Message posted at 07/22/2004, 23:30:52 PM by Webking
Most of the new 8mp camera have more noise than the lower resolution cameras. From what I have read in several magazines and online is that companies are trying to use the smaller ccd sensor to get 8mp.



On the F828, if you use the raw format you do get less noise and artifacts. But it is still there and needs processing in photoshop. JPEG format is terrible, there is purple fringing and a lot of noise.



If you are going to spend a 1,000.00 go with a D-SLR like Nicon D70 or Canon 300D.



The sensors on these cameras are larger and there is less noise.



I have a Sony F828, F717 and S75, the F828 is by far much noisier than the F717 and S75.



I just purchased a D70, I am most likely going to sell my S75 and F717. I am going to keep the F828 for family photos.



I went wth the D70 because I have Nikon Lenses, so I don't have to buy new lenses for awhile.



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Ericsphotos
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Message posted at 07/26/2004, 17:11:34 PM by Ericsphotos
That's right Webking, I would also recommend D70 or Canon 300D. The problem with 8MP cameras and noise is absolutely true. I don't remember where but I read an article about it and while the image is larger it has more noise so the question is, "do you realy need 8 MP. During last year PhotoExpo in NYC I saw huge enlargement from Canon 10D (same CMOS as 300D). They were just beautiful, free of any noise and crispy. You don't realy need 8MP camera, at least I don't. Go for a better quality than larger image. If you want to build a system invest in a good quality digital SLR and start from here. Than you can add lenses, flash, etc...
Canon EOS 10D, several Canon and Sigma lenses. Epson Perfect...

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Dinny
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Message edited at 07/26/2004, 21:56:34 PM by Dinny
Thanks for all the comments! About the 8mp cameras, I've read some of the same reports at http://www.dpreview.com I was also leaning toward the D70 or 300D (I have some Canon lenses from my film days).
Canon Digital Rebel XT, FujiFilm S602Zoom

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Subman
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Message posted at 07/28/2004, 15:03:32 PM by Subman
If you are on a tight budget, go for the 300D since you have lenses, but I'll switch to Nikon if you prefer my taste. Have a look at my Nikon shots at http://subman.deviantart.com/gallery, all the latest are D70 shots. I love it
Nikon D70 and a Asahi Pentax SP500

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Dinny
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Message posted at 07/28/2004, 15:25:05 PM by Dinny
Subman, you have some really nice shots! Tight budget? right now I really don't have the money for either of them. But I'm working on it!



What sold you on the D70? How much post-processing do you do?
Canon Digital Rebel XT, FujiFilm S602Zoom

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Gaffera
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Message posted at 07/28/2004, 16:27:00 PM by Gaffera
Dinny, you have so beautiful pics here, what will be when you have a new camera, dreamstime will explode.... ;-)))
CANON DS MARK ii, SONY DSC F 828, SONY DSC S 70

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Achilles
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Message posted at 07/29/2004, 05:58:21 AM by Achilles - member is an admin
No way, we're not exploding that fast....maybe Diane's sales :)


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Ericsphotos
285 posts
Message posted at 07/29/2004, 09:28:26 AM by Ericsphotos
Dinny, before you buy any digital SLR and I am talking about more pro models you have to be prepared to do post processing. That't is the beauty of pro cameras. Consumer level cameras gives you the "ready to use" product however the use of such images are more limited. On the other hand the image from a high end camera is waiting for your decision where and how it is gonna be used and you decide how to work on it to achieve the best of it. That is why, digital SLR's have RAW options, sharpness is not set upfront, gives you 16 bit images, etc.
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Dinny
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Message posted at 07/29/2004, 13:34:09 PM by Dinny
Gaffera: You're always so kind!



Achilles: It would be nice for my sales to explode, wouldn't we ALL benefit from that!



Ericsphotos: I'm trying to figure out if spending $$$ on new equipment is worth it. I am not a professional photographer and I'm having trouble justifying the expense. Is my current camera going to give me the same results as a newer one?



I have no problem with the post processing (I love experimenting w/PhotoShop). What exactly does a RAW image look like, compared to JPEG/TIFF?
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Inspireme
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Message edited at 07/29/2004, 15:15:58 PM by Inspireme
RAw looks exactly the same, it is 16bit instead of 8bit image (uncompressed) so the file size is bigger. It allows you to edit things about the picture after you have taken it with no loss of quality.



You can adjust things like contrast, white balance, sharpness, exposure,tint - and anything else that is normally done inside the camera :)



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Ericsphotos
285 posts
Message posted at 07/29/2004, 16:00:57 PM by Ericsphotos
Well, it is not easy to answer the question directed to me. You have a great camera and the important thing is who is behind it. One of your images (Foggy morning) proves that you are the right person! I love it. Your camera has only 3.1MP and it may be not enough in some situation (forget interpolated 6MP). Digital SLR is mor like a regular camera with all knobs, and buttons and it is easier to operate in the situations when speed is important.
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Dinny
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Message posted at 07/30/2004, 11:25:03 AM by Dinny
Ericsphotos: Thanks for the vote of confidence! I think I'll stop shooting w/ the 6MP (honestly that has been my major trouble) and get shooting! My image sizes will be smaller, but I think the photos will be much sharper.
Canon Digital Rebel XT, FujiFilm S602Zoom

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Ericsphotos
285 posts
Message posted at 07/30/2004, 20:12:18 PM by Ericsphotos
Absolutely right. Size matters but, well....not always.
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