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Spamming Keywords Flaggers

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Afagundes
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Message posted at 07/26/2011, 23:26:29 PM by Afagundes
If someone flags keywords on your image and they are spam, he earns 2 cents and helps to "clean" our database.



But what happens if he flags keywords that are obviously right for that image? Who is the spammer in this case?



I think in that case he should pay the 2 cents to the photographer just for bothering everybody for no reason so thats my suggestion.
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Dudau
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 00:37:21 AM by Dudau - member is an admin
This has been discussed many times before. The flag button is very close to the 'add to lightbox' button, so there are some buyers who want to select your pictures for a future purchase, but they flag them by mistake. Yes, those users you are calling spammers, may actually be buyers.

Instead of arguing, if the file infos are correct, respond politely to that user and ask for clarifications, or just ignore the flag. I repeat, only if the flagged words are relevant for that image.
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Grisho
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 03:10:36 AM by Grisho - member is an admin
I've always wondered what happens when you press the spam button, say by accident, and then press it one more time to bring back the "X" again. Does the flag still reach the contributor in such case?
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Dudau
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 03:26:06 AM by Dudau - member is an admin
Yes, the flag still reaches the contributor. But again, if the words are actually relevant, there should be no problem.

In the flag message, the notified user can read this note: "If the flag is irrelevant or accidental, please ignore or reply politely."

Well, this note should not be ignored.
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Bitesize
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 04:02:02 AM by Bitesize

Originally posted by Afagundes:
Quoted Message: If someone flags keywords on your image and they are spam, he earns 2 cents and helps to "clean" our database.But what happens if he flags keywords that are obviously right for that image? Who is the spammer in this case?I think in that case he should pay the 2 cents to the photographer just for bothering everybody for no reason so thats my suggestion.




You have no idea of the debate that when on about this just with my photo being flagged. it's the whole what's relevent and what's not. my argument still remains, don't tell people to use relevent words because it can lead to anything e.g. guitar, musician, sheet. people will argue that a photo of a guitar doesn't have a musician or sheet music in it so is irrelevent. how so?

so, i say when adding keywords, just put what's in the photo, NOT what is relevent because everything is relevent :-P.



and yep, i also think there are spammers who try to earn their 2c of fame.
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Dudau
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 05:00:18 AM by Dudau - member is an admin
Bitesize, users don't get the 2c if they're wrong about the flagged words. Flagging photos randomly doesn't get them anything. On the other hand, if they are right, they are not spammers.
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Bitesize
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 05:25:03 AM by Bitesize
okey dokey
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Shadow69
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 11:02:16 AM by Shadow69
Check this out, search for american flags (as in plural), the best sellers all have the word flags as a keyword but only have one single flag in the image. Very annoying and such a blatant spam. I was looking for an image with several or many flags and got very annoyed to see that people abuse a small innocent letter like "s"in such a horrible way.
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Red
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Message edited at 07/27/2011, 11:25:41 AM by Red
If you check most images you will find the singular and plural. That is not considered spam. If plurals were policed there would have to be a massive clean up. I'm not saying it's wrong or right only that it has been allowed since day one (not encouraged, but allowed).



Here's a past discussion that's interesting - Singular and Plural



As a designer I don't mind looking at images with multiples in them. I might find one in the group that suits my need and purchase the group image just to knock out the best one of the bunch.


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Androniques
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 12:29:31 PM by Androniques

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: Bitesize, users don`t get the 2c if they`re wrong about the flagged words. Flagging photos randomly doesn`t get them anything. On the other hand, if they are right, they are not spammers.




O'kay... then I guess one of these people "getting nothing" is myself! because some time ago, I got really annoyed with many pictures of chalk stacks (pretty basic, btw) constantly appearing amongst the search results for coloured piano keys, notes and music sheets (sorry, I don't remember exact keywords I was trying but the search was quite specific). Then I actually checked the keywords under a few of these chalky pictures and found out that "music" and "harmony" described well those chalk blocks along with many more "relevant" keywords, as unrelated to music as to chalks. Well, I did flag three or four of those pictures, but I never received any payouts for flagging those... So, it now appears that I was the spammer! LOL
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 19:38:11 PM by Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: or just ignore the flag.




Easier said than done. I have an image of a lawyer holding a law book and it was flagged for the word LAW.



OK, it was a mistake so I ignored it.



However, since it was flagged, a staff member still reviewed the image and it's now locked for using keywords such as SUE and WISCONSINART.



There are bigger crosses to carry but... just wanted to mention it...
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 07/27/2011, 21:56:48 PM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: This has been discussed many times before. The flag button is very close to the `add to lightbox` button, so there are some buyers who want to select your pictures for a future purchase, but they flag them by mistake. Yes, those users you are calling spammers, may actually be buyers.Instead of arguing, if the file infos are correct, respond politely to that user and ask for clarifications, or just ignore the flag. I repeat, only if the flagged words are relevant for that image.




I allways answered them on a polite way, its just that a small penality would make them be more careful when flagging.



BTW, I have some images flagged and they were right, I did an (honest) mistake on my keywords, so the flag system helps me to have better keywords, I am not complaining about it, its just a sugestion.



On the other hand why didnt DT changed the position of the flag button if its already known that this might cause unecessary flags coming from buyers?



Thank you,
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Fleyeing
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Message posted at 07/28/2011, 10:12:27 AM by Fleyeing

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: The flag button is very close to the `add to lightbox` button, so there are some buyers who want to select your pictures for a future purchase, but they flag them by mistake.
In that case it's a simple usability problem so why not space the buttons more apart? I know the row under the thumb is very small but at least you could replace the red cross icon by a yellow triangle with exclamation character on it. This type of icon is much more ubiquitous for special action or "beware", while a red cross is commonly used as a "close window" or "delete" icon.
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Achilles
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Message posted at 07/28/2011, 10:40:36 AM by Achilles - member is an admin
An exclamation sign might add to the confusion.

x = "close" the image or "delete" it from search. Don't see it anymore.

! = "Mark" it for future use?



The "x" suggests that the image will be removed from the search results. Many users don't really care about flagging, they just want it out of there.



The number of accidents is zero compared to how many people use the search. The more accidents like these, the better the overall sales. ;)



Can't be that difficult to simply ignore the flag if the keyword is legit.


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Androniques
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Message edited at 07/28/2011, 19:09:17 PM by Androniques
Could someone bother to answer this question: if a picture is blocked from editing its keywords, is it still on sale, i.e. seen and downloadable by a buyer?



I checked my the only flagged_&_blocked image in search results and it is found but since the discussions on flagging are so hot (not only in this thread), I started worrying if I am missing something important here...
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Achilles
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Message posted at 07/29/2011, 02:42:44 AM by Achilles - member is an admin
Nothing else happens to an image that you can no longer edit. Its search placement is not affected (obviosuly, aside of that very keyword that was removed). The admin will "clean" all its metadata (not just the flagged keyword). The edit rights are blocked to ensure the spam is not repeating.


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Androniques
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Message posted at 07/29/2011, 04:32:13 AM by Androniques
Achilles, thank you for explaining this!

From previous discussions I understood that flagging by simply pressing the button, i.e. without any comment specifying wrong keywords, is also possible? In that case how do I know about the flagging event (as no comment was left) and what the flagger did not like?
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Fleyeing
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Message posted at 07/29/2011, 04:39:12 AM by Fleyeing

Originally posted by Achilles:
Quoted Message: The number of accidents is zero compared to how many people use the search. The more accidents like these, the better the overall sales. ;)
Well I merely commented on Viorel's statement that buyers make mistakes by the layout and the meaning of the buttons. If that's not the case ("accidents are zero") better not waste time on fixing a running engine.
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Dudau
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Message edited at 07/29/2011, 06:27:10 AM by Admin

Originally posted by Androniques:
Quoted Message: Achilles, thank you for explaining this!From previous discussions I understood that flagging by simply pressing the button, i.e. without any comment specifying wrong keywords, is also possible? In that case how do I know about the flagging event (as no comment was left) and what the flagger did not like?




Flagging without any comment specifying wrong keywords is not possible.

Edit: for each bad keyword report, the user receives a comment about that keyword.
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Androniques
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Message posted at 07/29/2011, 05:02:57 AM by Androniques

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: Yes, the flag still reaches the contributor. But again, if the words are actually relevant, there should be no problem.In the flag message, the notified user can read this note: "If the flag is irrelevant or accidental, please ignore or reply politely." Well, this note should not be ignored.




If flagging without a comment is impossible, then what sort of button accidentally pressed is discussed in the above quote?
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