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Lenses are not Forever Anymore

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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/24/2012, 19:42:00 PM by Afagundes
Hi there,

Last June I went to New York and upgraded my gear to a full frame.

When I was just about to leave Brazil, my Canon 70-300 IS USM lens started to show problems in the IS system, it started shaking and making strange noises.

So, instead of only upgrading my camera body (I had a Canon 50D), i traded my faulty lens for a new one, also I traded my beloved 10-22 that wouldnt work with a full frame for a 17-40, which turn out to be an amazing and fantastic lens, by the way.

So, the only lens I kept was my Canon 24-105, the rest was all brand new, a new 70-300, a new 17-40 and a Canon 5D Mark II new body.

My trip started in New York, than I went to europe from Barcelona up to Paris.

In the middle of my journey, in Avignon, provence, guess which lens started to do noises and jamming? Yes, the old Canon 24-105! So, I had to go to a store in France and paid an astonishing expensive price for a new one!

Now, I was digging in the internet (yes, I know, its almost an year later) and found out that this is a quite common problem to happen with this lens, its something that happens with a flat cable that is connected to the circuit that changes the diaphragm after a while (I mean some years) and a number of zoom operations.

Oh boy, that scared me a lot, the 24-105 is my working horse and I dont want it to be faulty in the middle of a journey again in one or two years.

Anyone with a similar situation? I´ve heard this happens also with the Canon 17-85, but its much cheaper to fix it due to the way this lens is assembled.

I sent a message to Canon asking if this is true and if they are planning to launch a new version of this lens that wouldnt be facing this problem after a while,

I allways thought camera bodies are for a while, but lenses are almost forever, not true! With today electronics lenses it seems like they will have to be replaced once in a while as well...

By the way this is not a complain of Canon, the older lens was 4 years old, its just something I am realizing now, lenses are now electronic devices and as such, they show faulty parts after a while.

Your thoughts on the subject are appreciated.
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/26/2012, 17:57:59 PM by Afagundes
Well, it seems like I am alone on this one,...
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Syamin
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Message posted at 03/26/2012, 19:30:58 PM by Syamin
Scary!!!...I hope it is not going to happen to me. I am not considering to change my system at the moment because thay are all quite new (less than 3 years), instead i like to have a second body...most probably the 7D. Also i love to have the 5D but i have a number of EF-S lens which can't be used on full frame.
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/26/2012, 22:31:45 PM by Afagundes
Here is one of the threads about the problems with the lens

thread

And another one Link

Since they mention other lenses with similar problems, Tamron and other canon lenses, I´ve got to the conclusion that really lenses aren´t as durable as they used to be, thats sad news, but one should know that and try to survive in this new environment, I wonder what the pros are doing about it, paying for extended guarantee?

Syamin, if you upgrade for a full frame its quite easy, you should trade your 18-200 and the 17-85 for a Canon 24-105 f4/L, you already have a 70-200 and the 17mm APS-C is equivalent to a 24mm full frame, so you wouldnt loose anything and end up with a much better L grade lens.
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Bradcalkins
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Message posted at 03/27/2012, 00:06:11 AM by Bradcalkins
I had a similar issue with my 17-55mm f/2.8 EFS lens, had to send it into Canon for repair. I think having IS in the lens adds a lot of complexity and risk of failure. The sensor based systems have a few advantages:

1. You get IS on all your lenses.
2. When the body has improved IS, it improves all your lenses.
3. Works with manual focus lenses from other manufacturers.

Olympus here I come!
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Diavata
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Message posted at 03/27/2012, 05:25:02 AM by Diavata
I've only ever used Tamron lenses and the oldest one (my working horse) has been in use (close to 'daily use', that is) for 6 years now without fail. So, my guess is that you've just been very unfortunate.

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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/27/2012, 05:51:31 AM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Diavata:
Quoted Message: I`ve only ever used Tamron lenses and the oldest one (my working horse) has been in use (close to `daily use`, that is) for 6 years now without fail. So, my guess is that you`ve just been very unfortunate.


Hi Diavata, I have no experience with Tamron lenses, it was a post from somebody in one of those links. Its good to know you dont have problem with your lenses, there is some hope!
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/27/2012, 05:57:48 AM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: I think having IS in the lens adds a lot of complexity and risk of failure.


Yes it could be, anyway, I don´t think its a problem with Canon only, its just that I have more experience with the brand and its products.

Canon 24-105 is one of the more popular lenses, for sure Canon sold millions of them, so its natural that some will have problems, and we are not talking about problems during the first year, but after 3 to 4 years of use,

For what I´ve seen, its a flat cable that tears down after many zoom operations, so its not necessarly related to IS, but maybe the complexity of the mechanism has something to do with it, or maybe its just because most of the lenses now are IS, I dont know.
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Artistashmita
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Message posted at 03/28/2012, 10:19:39 AM by Artistashmita
most image stabilized lenses are now known to be more problematic over longer time than non IS, or VR for nikons, same story everywhere...
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/28/2012, 14:26:33 PM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Artistashmita:
Quoted Message: most image stabilized lenses are now known to be more problematic over longer time than non IS, or VR for nikons, same story everywhere...


I will check on that, it makes sense that IS adds complexity and this might lead to more failures, but its complicated to do such a statement without further evidence, with so many lenses having this feature it would be to expect that the industry would have come with more stable solutions.
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Diavata
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Message posted at 03/28/2012, 15:51:12 PM by Diavata

Originally posted by Afagundes:
Quoted Message: Hi Diavata, I have no experience with Tamron lenses, it was a post from somebody in one of those links. Its good to know you dont have problem with your lenses, there is some hope!


But I'll be upgrading to some Canon L glass next month, so I'll need some extended hope ;-)
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/28/2012, 19:23:51 PM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Diavata:
Quoted Message: But I`ll be upgrading to some Canon L glass next month, so I`ll need some extended hope ;-)


I think its not a problem specific with Canon lenses, so the upgrade is welcome, actually, L grade lenses are better made so less prone to problems, I was just a bit unlucky with mine, is just an observation, people allways said, invest in good glass, because they are forever, the body you will have to upgrade more often, and that´s simply not true anymore, IMHO.

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Treb999
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Message posted at 03/31/2012, 06:13:26 AM by Treb999
The only problems I have had are with Sigma, so I never buy them. Tamron is great with their warranty, I sent a 70-300mm in for repair, af did not work anymore, and they repaired it without question. I also shoot with some Minolta glass that must be nearly 30 years old and the af still works great. The Minolta glass is so cheap if it breaks, I can always just buy a replacement. Cheers!
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 03/31/2012, 09:22:49 AM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Treb999:
Quoted Message: I also shoot with some Minolta glass that must be nearly 30 years old and the af still works great.

Yes, old lenses are like old cars, they used to last much longer, now I Am convinced that this is part of the game, that once in a while, they will break, I am talking about 3 to 4 years
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