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What do you think? Image levels

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Arvacsaba
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Message edited at 06/18/2012, 05:58:43 AM by Admin
Hi everyone.

I don't how many sales do you have these times, but I have less and less.
Wouldn't be a good idea to have the option to set our pictures to a lower level? For example a level 5 photo to have the option to set to level 1 or 2,3,4 and then move it to level 5 if you wish.

******************* [Admin Edit: Please keep the discussion about sales and trends till the end of the month, thank you]
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Fotoeye75
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Message posted at 06/16/2012, 15:07:11 PM by Fotoeye75
Why would I want to knock my level 5 images to a lower level? Then I would have to sell more to make the same. I'd rather sell less and make more on each image. Having the option of selling 100 images for $100 or 10 images for $100 .. I'll go with 10. My view of stock is no different than the way I look at my studio .. if you want to pay for a product here it is .. if you want something for nothing, I'm sure somebody else can help you with that.

You will see more sales as your portfolio increases in size. Keep uploading. Just takes time is all.
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 06/16/2012, 16:36:29 PM by Afagundes
That´s right Arvacsaba, you need to increase your portfolio to increase your sales.

June is being "okayish" to me, the only reason its not a bad month is because I had some high level sales, so, no way I want to decrease the level of my images!...

Cheers.
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 06/16/2012, 21:19:54 PM by Wisconsinart
I just need to sell one image for a million dollars.

Then I'm done. :-)
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Arvacsaba
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Message posted at 06/17/2012, 13:40:34 PM by Arvacsaba
Yes I agree with all of you.
I was just wondering if the probability to sell 5 images for $1 isn't higher than to sell one image for $5.
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Bradcalkins
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Message posted at 06/17/2012, 21:52:52 PM by Bradcalkins
I doubt that it is. If you need to buy an image for your project, does making it cheaper have any impact on whether you need more? Can you think of anything you use in your life that you would start using MORE than 5x as much of long term if it was suddenly a fifth the price?
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Androniques
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Message edited at 06/20/2012, 09:58:36 AM by Androniques

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: I doubt that it is. If you need to buy an image for your project, does making it cheaper have any impact on whether you need more? Can you think of anything you use in your life that you would start using MORE than 5x as much of long term if it was suddenly a fifth the price?


Brad, I think you put the question in a wrong perspective. It must be: if one (of many similar) image for $5 is more, or maybe less, probable to find its buyer than 5 images for $1 each (likely of different subjects) finding their 5 buyers... Seems to me it all depends on how generic or unique are those images. You are assuming essentially rather unique images (all of them).

A more correctly asked question is, if it is more probable to sell the same image once for $5 or 5 times for $1? - like to sell once one copy of, say, a toy for $5 or 5 copies for $1. There must be, of course, some balance between the offer (quality and number), the price and the demand, and that's what the free market is all about.

UPDATE: thinking along these lines, it's easy to conclude that images of different quality and uniqueness should be set at different prices to start with, and not as a result of their sales accumulation. But who will correctly estimate the initial prices for all the diversity of microstock images? One way could be to allow the seller (i.e. the very contributor) to decide the price for each of their images, but again who will allow that? ;-)
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 06/20/2012, 10:33:39 AM by Afagundes

Originally posted by Androniques:
Quoted Message: it`s easy to conclude that images of different quality and uniqueness should be set at different prices to start with, and not as a result of their sales accumulation. But who will correctly estimate the initial prices for all the diversity of microstock images? One way could be to allow the seller (i.e. the very contributor) to decide the price for each of their images, but again who will allow that? ;-)


Sales accumulation is used as a measure of the likability of the image to see, therefore its value. Is not a perfect method, but its what we have for now.

The level 0 and 1 are an improvement on this concept so that images unsold for 2 or more years are probably less sellable than imagens unsold but with less than 2 years.

I´ve heard that some people tried somethings with the idea that the buyer sets the price for their products, like musicians selling music over the internet, author selling his book, the idea is, "you name the price", but those guys are more focused on the end customer who has diferent values, they will pay something more because they are fans of those guys, is a diferent relationship than what we have with our customers.

Now about price is really a question of the market, if we simply multiply the prices by 5 we will probably sell nothing, because they can find similar products in other concorrents by 5 times less, if we divide the price by 5 we wont sell 5 times more because the market is not that big.

I think Microstock started as bargain prices, accepting low quality images and have evolved to a more sophisticated market, where the prices are higher (but its still cheap compared to RM), but the quality is much better. its happening in all agencies thats why the prices are increasing without loosing sales.
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Androniques
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Message posted at 06/20/2012, 10:51:14 AM by Androniques

Originally posted by Afagundes:
Quoted Message: Sales accumulation is used as a measure of the likability of the image to see, therefore its value. Is not a perfect method, but its what we have for now.The level 0 and 1 are an improvement on this concept so that images unsold for 2 or more years are probably less sellable than imagens unsold but with less than 2 years. ...


Yes, I know and agree... yet, when I see some sophisticated and, I guess, very time-consuming in preparation, digital graphics starting at the same level 1 as many-many simple snapshots (15 mins max for editing) in the database... then I, hmm, wonder if it's fair, to say the least. :-) The same goes for strong and less strong concepts, etc.. I would not mind to sell some of my images lower in price (but not too cheap), in comparison to other (stronger, better-done etc) images. As it is, it appears that paintings and snapshots are sold for the same money.

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Mudplucker
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Message posted at 07/12/2012, 13:33:14 PM by Mudplucker
Well i was on here buying photos instead of submitting today for a software program I am making, and i needed photos of people doing things so since I will only be using them in a 400 by 300 pixel frame i searched only for photos that are level 0 (cost is 1 credit for the small size).. sure i had to go thru plenty of stinkers to find what i needed, but i eventually I found some and kept my cost down at the same time. Some people might want expensive these days, but i want top quality at bottom dollar prices.
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Mudplucker
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Message posted at 07/12/2012, 13:50:41 PM by Mudplucker
and as an example, even though this photo says it is a level 2 it charges a level 0 price for the x-small size, so I was able to get this photo for 1 only credit: photo 7391459

I needed that for business man and business woman reading a contract
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Mudplucker
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Message posted at 07/13/2012, 16:10:00 PM by Mudplucker
and i picked up this Yuri Arcurs photo today in x-small size for only 1 credit image 12314744 so if there are people like me having to keep costs down, we are looking for legal and cheap. I bought more credits today too after receiving a 20 percent discount offer from DT for my next purchase of credits....
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Arvacsaba
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Message posted at 07/15/2012, 11:52:51 AM by Arvacsaba
Thank you for sharing. I f there are any other buyers who read this, I would be happy to hear usually how they buy. Thanks
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