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Older images not selling very often

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Jubilist
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Message posted at 11/12/2012, 18:59:37 PM by Jubilist
I've been on DT just over three years now, and I'm not sure if it's just a statistical fluke but it seems like my older images are not getting sales any more.
My question for the more-experienced DT contributors is: is it worth culling older images that haven't sold BEFORE the four-year deadline comes up? Are there benefits in getting rid of older unsold images to improve the "downloads per image" number? Or is it worth leaving them on there for the whole four years, just in case? If it IS worth getting rid of non-sellers, would you suggest doing it after 18 months, two years, three years? (i.e. do any of you notice a clear pattern that after a certain amount of time, these images lose their saleability?)


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Nospmisk
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Message posted at 11/12/2012, 19:06:22 PM by Nospmisk
Funny, mine is opposite. :)
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 11/12/2012, 20:31:15 PM by Afagundes
I have sales on my older images, specially now that they are cheaper, so I am leaving them until the four years.
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Godfer
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 03:08:46 AM by Godfer
I don't think that it is ever worth deleting an image until you have to. You never know when somebody might come along and buy the rights or an EL. The only time I might delete an image is if it was one of my first attempts and it is too embarrassing to keep it :D
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Bradcalkins
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 06:33:28 AM by Bradcalkins
I think it can be worth it if you have non-sellers that compete with your own new content, it may help with relevancy searches. But I would only say that is true if you can't find your own images in the search in the first place.

I think you will find that any results from culling are pretty anecdotal since so many factors are involved... Personally I'm find that older files (with no sales) are doing better lately.
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Leakeem
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 09:29:44 AM by Leakeem
Last week I had a very fat 20-credit TIFF sale (my first tiff) on an image that was approved back in 2009. And I have some recent sales from old illustrations too. Like they say, the world of stock is very unpredictable. I think you should keep them in your port. You never know.
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Jubilist
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 16:10:03 PM by Jubilist
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm encouraged to hear about Leakeem's 20-credit sale. It seems that once again, patience is the key!


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Gmargittai
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 18:35:40 PM by Gmargittai
The search engine is tuned to give some advantage to newer photos. At least this is what people say, nobody knows for sure. But that does not mean that the chance of selling an older photo is zero. It is not clear to me what the gain is in deleting accepted images. Your account also becomes smaller. Is that a good thing?

Some people do searches with few or just one keyword and then get tens of thousand of hits. If one gets discouraged by this volume of data and put in more keywords soon enough (three four keywords are enough to cause this) the amount of hits gets manageable down to one page. In this case your older image has a very good chance of being picked.



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Igordabari
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 19:01:50 PM by Igordabari

Originally posted by Bradcalkins:
Quoted Message: Personally I`m find that older files (with no sales) are doing better lately.


I have a similar impression...
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Jubilist
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Message posted at 11/13/2012, 20:57:37 PM by Jubilist
I thought I'd read a while back that the "downloads per image" stat can also affect search engine placement. I was considering pruning out older unsold photos - especially where I have a few similar ones of a particular subject - to improve the downloads-per-image stat and search-engine ranking. But since no one knows for sure how the search engine works, it probably is safer just to leave the old unsold images up. It seems like a few people have been having sales of these lately, so maybe my experience is just a statistical blip.


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Bradcalkins
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Message posted at 11/14/2012, 05:12:50 AM by Bradcalkins

Originally posted by Jubilist:
Quoted Message: I thought I`d read a while back that the "downloads per image" stat can also affect search engine placement. I was considering pruning out older unsold photos - especially where I have a few similar ones of a particular subject - to improve the downloads-per-image stat and search-engine ranking. But since no one knows for sure how the search engine works, it probably is safer just to leave the old unsold images up. It seems like a few people have been having sales of these lately, so maybe my experience is just a statistical blip.


I suspect this is the thread you are thinking of: Quality vs Quantity

In response to the topic of thinning your portfolio, Achilles stated:

Removing similar or poor files without sales HELPS. The result is taken into account by the search engine and better placement is given for all your remaining files. Same is true for similars. The more similars you have, the less priority they will have.

It doesn't mean you should hurry to remove everything. I also find the 6 months criterion to be a little too harsh, but the improvement is at least in part thanks to this selection. That is for certain.


As stated above, I think it can be useful if you have non-sellers with keywords that compete with new content...but I wouldn't go crazy with it. The original poster has a portfolio with a main theme, which is the kind of portfolio I think would be likely to benefit more from a house cleaning in terms of search relevancy.
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Godfer
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Message posted at 11/14/2012, 05:36:21 AM by Godfer
This is a breakdown of the upload dates of my last 20 sales
2006 - 3
2007 - 1
2008 - 1
2009 - 5
2010 - 3
2011 - 5
2012 - 2
So from this the answer to the OP is that yes older images do sell and the age of the image doesn't seem to make any difference. Of course it would be a lot more difficult for images that have never sold to be found unless somebody particularly wants a more original image and searches on lesser selling images.
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Lisafx
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Message posted at 11/14/2012, 10:07:28 AM by Lisafx
The search engine is constantly changing. Sometimes newer images sell better, sometimes older images. If you have images without any sales over 2-3 years time, I don't see a problem with culling them. I would probably look them over and evaluate if I feel they have sales potential or not and then decide. If they are a good image and concept, you might want to evaluate your keywords.
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Jubilist
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Message edited at 11/14/2012, 16:47:59 PM by Jubilist
[quote]I suspect this is the thread you are thinking of: Quality vs Quantity
Yes! That is the thread, thanks for re-posting.
So unless the search engine has changed again, it might be worth looking carefully at older unsold images and maybe as a first step, checking their keywords - then if that hasn't made any difference after say, six months, consider getting rid of them completely.


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Jubilist
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Message posted at 11/15/2012, 15:50:57 PM by Jubilist

Originally posted by Godfer:
Quoted Message: This is a breakdown of the upload dates of my last 20 sales2006 - 32007 - 12008 - 12009 - 52010 - 32011 - 52012 - 2So from this the answer to the OP is that yes older images do sell and the age of the image doesn`t seem to make any difference. Of course it would be a lot more difficult for images that have never sold to be found unless somebody particularly wants a more original image and searches on lesser selling images.


Thanks for sharing your statistics. I'm curious if those sales included any images that hadn't previously sold?
It's my perception that if an image hasn't sold within say, 12 months, it seems less likely to ever sell, these days. But of course that's only based on my own sales, so I was wondering if others had the same experience?


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Godfer
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Message posted at 11/15/2012, 16:15:10 PM by Godfer

Originally posted by Jubilist:
Quoted Message: Thanks for sharing your statistics. I`m curious if those sales included any images that hadn`t previously sold?It`s my perception that if an image hasn`t sold within say, 12 months, it seems less likely to ever sell, these days. But of course that`s only based on my own sales, so I was wondering if others had the same experience?

NO none of them were images that have never sold before but I don't really have many images over a year old that have never sold. I had quite a few old images sell for the first time this year when the 0 level was brought in. It isn't unusual for people to get an EL sales on an image that hasn't previously sold which is why I don't believe in deleting them before you have to.
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Jubilist
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Message posted at 11/15/2012, 17:17:49 PM by Jubilist
OK, thanks for clarifying. I have LOTS of images over a year old that have never sold!
But like you say, I have also had one EL sale on a previously unsold, older image, so I'll wait a bit longer before considering deleting anything.


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