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What is wrong with my pictures?

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Allisondahl
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 10:37:33 AM by Allisondahl
Hi there. I'm new here and I've just gotten 64 refusals and 1 photo online from my first uploads. I'm just not seeing exactly how my composition is bad on some of my photos or how they don't quite fit in stock.

Here is my DeviantART that I display them at regularly. Mind you I didn't upload the dunes and boardwalk pic or the ones with people. The flowers, animals and plants are part of the images I submitted.

Any pointers or positive criticism is greatly appreciated on how to improve for future uploads.


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Allisondahl
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 10:38:54 AM by Allisondahl
p.s. don't mind the watermark on them ^_^


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Red
1632 posts
Message posted at 12/11/2012, 10:59:06 AM by Red
You might want to investigate the differences between stock images and fine art images. Here is a good place to start - Microstock Insider


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Bogdanzagan
288 posts
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 12:32:38 PM by Bogdanzagan
Hello, I had the same dilemma a few months ago, so maybe this helps:

I took a look at your pictures. You have some problems, first of all you have a very shallow depth of field.

The colors are somehow dull... you can correct this with PS. Also, the butterflies are a consumed subject on DT... there are so many butterflies and they don't accept anymore, unless it's an outstanding quality (composition, colors etc).

You may have a better luck with the goats, but don't photograph the animal over the fence.

Again, hope this helps, I tried to give you some hints.

Regards,
Bogdan
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 12:34:47 PM by Wisconsinart
You're making rookie mistakes. First of all, you're submitting images that are way overdone in the database. Common images need to knock your socks off. Reviewers will not accept any images of flowers and butterflies unless they are jaw-dropping stunning. Don't say you can find equivalent images already uploaded; look at butterfly images with the most sales and you will see the difference.

Get yourself Photoshop Elements for Christmas and learn how to make a picture POP.

Lastly, hang out in internet forums where the photographers know what they're doing. It's easy to find people who will boost your ego. The link you provided is filled with amateurs and they're not helping you grow as a photographer. Find a photography club with serious photographers who will look at your work with a sharp eye. Take some evening classes at a local institution.

You also need to be your toughest critic. I can shoot hundreds of pictures in a weekend and be delighted if I get just ONE shot that is what you can call outstanding.

Good luck!
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Suyerry
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 16:02:55 PM by Suyerry
Hi and welome to DT. Just make sure to pay close attention to reasons for rejection and learn from it. We all get rejections. As you keep uploading you will keep learning. Don't give up just keep uploading and if you have questions on why an image was rejected contact support, they will be happy to try and explain to you. Wish you the best of luck on your next upload! :)
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Brmonico
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Message posted at 12/11/2012, 21:24:00 PM by Brmonico
Hi Allisondahl, welcome to DT.

- we need to talk about many things before say to you what is wrong or not. First we need to know the rejection reason that was mentioned by DT review´s . This is important, was noise, pixels problem, photography skills ... ?

- Now, you are shooting for stock. You can combine stock and art, but don´t edit your images for fine art printing. In stock, designers will prefer simple images to work them after.

- You have very hard colors. Is post processing by you or is your camera programs? Usually point&shoots make this to amateurs see beautiful colors in small prints. In stock you must make a good file, full of color but without color noise....You need good sensors and calibrated cameras.

- Your main subjects appear in a very small area of image. When buyer is looking for images , he will choose one from a page with many small image links . Your butterfly image in a small size appear only like a green out of focus pattern, is difficult to see the butterfly. Your main subject will be better exposed if you put it to at least 1/4 of image (rule of 1/3 ) and avoid to focus and present the motive in the center.

Good luck.
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Dudau
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Message edited at 12/12/2012, 01:52:16 AM by Admin

Originally posted by Brmonico:
Quoted Message: Hi Allisondahl, welcome to DT.- we need to talk about many things before say to you what is wrong or not. First we need to know the rejection reason that was mentioned by DT review´s . This is important, was noise, pixels problem, photography skills ... ?


Actually, you don't really need to talk about the rejection reason mentioned by reviewers, it's against the rules to discuss rejections on the forum.

Allisondahl, if you're having a hard time understanding the refusal reasons, we'll be glad to help, by email, if you'll contact us.
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Bogdanzagan
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Message posted at 12/12/2012, 01:56:05 AM by Bogdanzagan

Originally posted by Dudau:
Quoted Message: Allisondahl, if you`re having a hard time understanding the refusal reasons, we`ll be glad to help, by email, if you`ll contact us.


Dudau is right, when I am puzzled by the refusal reason I send an email and in short time (1 or 2 days) I receive the answer. Every time it was comprehensive and this helps you to improve your acceptance ratio :)
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Allisondahl
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Message edited at 12/12/2012, 13:53:06 PM by Allisondahl

Originally posted by Bogdanzagan:
Quoted Message: Hello, I had the same dilemma a few months ago, so maybe this helps:I took a look at your pictures. You have some problems, first of all you have a very shallow depth of field. The colors are somehow dull... you can correct this with PS. Also, the butterflies are a consumed subject on DT... there are so many butterflies and they don`t accept anymore, unless it`s an outstanding quality (composition, colors etc).You may have a better luck with the goats, but don`t photograph the animal over the fence. Again, hope this helps, I tried to give you some hints.Regards, Bogdan


Thank you. I am seeing more and more my issues with DOF and am working on that.

Goat
(sorry im having issues getting the url of the pitcure alone)

The Goat pictures though i'm trying to understand how the composition is wrong. If it's the fence, I don't understand how it affects the main concept in a negative way?


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Allisondahl
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Message edited at 12/12/2012, 14:07:37 PM by Allisondahl

Originally posted by Brmonico:
Quoted Message: Hi Allisondahl, welcome to DT.- we need to talk about many things before say to you what is wrong or not. First we need to know the rejection reason that was mentioned by DT review´s . This is important, was noise, pixels problem, photography skills ... ?- Now, you are shooting for stock. You can combine stock and art, but don´t edit your images for fine art printing. In stock, designers will prefer simple images to work them after.- You have very hard colors. Is post processing by you or is your camera programs? Usually point&shoots make this to amateurs see beautiful colors in small prints. In stock you must make a good file, full of color but without color noise....You need good sensors and calibrated cameras.- Your main subjects appear in a very small area of image. When buyer is looking for images , he will choose one from a page with many small image links . Your butterfly image in a small size appear only like a green out of focus pattern, is difficult to see the butterfly. Your main subject will be better exposed if you put it to at least 1/4 of image (rule of 1/3 ) and avoid to focus and present the motive in the center. Good luck.


Thank you. I emailed support back about using vignette and they said that that doesn't necessarily matter. But from what you're saying it does? I can understand it for some pictures and not for others.

Again please ignore the horrible watermark lol. That was before I realised how annoying they can be when you're trying to see the whole picture and get distracted by then :)

Not so much for this one ( Cake Smash ) I can understand because if one were to crop it would make it looks funny.

But example for this one ( Bridge Greens ) I feel it adds to the damp look of the picture. But I see as I'm writing this That If someone were to use this they can add the vignette themselves if they wanted to.

So honestly skip the step even though I feel it does a picture good sometimes?

I'm going to also research on colour noise, thank you. I do enhance certain colours in post processing to try and make it pop but see I may be doing it wrong lol.


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Allisondahl
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Message posted at 12/12/2012, 14:06:53 PM by Allisondahl
I understand the refusal reason to some degree. It's just the details I want to better understand. like fine art and stock. Thank you for the link Red I will investigate :)


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Allisondahl
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Message edited at 12/12/2012, 14:32:31 PM by Allisondahl
So I know that butterflies, flowers and animals are well covered subjects and that the image must be outstanding to pass through.

Cat

I've actually done a search and have not seen anything that resembles this one. I do see that when opened in PS and looked at with the button "actual pixels" It is a bit out of focus. But aside from that what would be negative points against this particular picture. DOF?

beeeeeesides the horrible watermark ofc ^_^


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Nikon4004
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Message posted at 12/12/2012, 15:40:44 PM by Nikon4004
FIne Art----Looks good on the wall in an office

Stock----Looks good illustrating an artical in a magazine or advertisment


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Brmonico
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Message edited at 12/13/2012, 09:36:16 AM by Brmonico

Originally posted by Allisondahl:
Quoted Message: Thank you. I emailed support back about using vignette and they said that that doesn`t necessarily matter. But from what you`re saying it does? I can understand it for some pictures and not for others. Again please ignore the horrible watermark lol. That was before I realised how annoying they can be when you`re trying to see the whole picture and get distracted by then :) Not so much for this one ( Cake Smash ) I can understand because if one were to crop it would make it looks funny.But example for this one ( Bridge Greens ) I feel it adds to the damp look of the picture. But I see as I`m writing this That If someone were to use this they can add the vignette themselves if they wanted to.So honestly skip the step even though I feel it does a picture good sometimes?I`m going to also research on colour noise, thank you. I do enhance certain colours in post processing to try and make it pop but see I may be doing it wrong lol.


If you use vignette you will limited the designers use . More effects and more work you do to an image more limited it stays. BUT, this don´r forbid you to upload some works and some images with all your personal mark, there is market to that files if they are real good. I have some black and withe shoots in my port and i got new ones approved now. I submit them because i want that files in B&W , with conscience that i limited the use of them about 80% to buyer.....A a simple full and good color file get more sales. You can submit your art, but you will sell more if you submit concepts .

Art is very subjective and stock have some rules to be done . If your main (butterfly) subject appear in center of image and this is against the basic rules of thirds AND appear in a very small size relative to all image concept. Possibly it stays good on a wall or in a big print but definetly it can´t illustrated anything because the main interest is lost in the total file.
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Brmonico
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Message edited at 12/13/2012, 09:34:55 AM by Brmonico
delete ...my mistake.
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Brmonico
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Message edited at 12/13/2012, 10:07:24 AM by Brmonico

Originally posted by Allisondahl:
Quoted Message: So I know that butterflies, flowers and animals are well covered subjects and that the image must be outstanding to pass through.CatI`ve actually done a search and have not seen anything that resembles this one. I do see that when opened in PS and looked at with the button "actual pixels" It is a bit out of focus. But aside from that what would be negative points against this particular picture. DOF?beeeeeesides the horrible watermark ofc ^_^


Don´t worry with DOF.....is a false myth . sometime images can be all out of focus if the main interest is in focus like this one :
   European money   

The problem or the problems with this image (the cat, you present) are obvious ... even in this small size you present. The image have distorted pixeis and many noise (look to low corners in image, the grey scale ones...is out of standarts) The light in that image could be much better, the lense you use is a dark glass i presume, maybe a P&S camera with small sensor . I talk about this in another topic. The main subject is good but the corners are really bad , you have a very small sensor for low light and dark areas in image. The problem here in my opinion is not the bokeh area you have but the quality of the bokeh and how your sensor blur the lines ....If you don´t understand me now i can´t help you more than that. I give you the lines the rest is practice. Good equipment is not expensive equipment . You can buy a canon or nikon 50mm or 35mm f1.8 very cheap......And remember DOF is not a camera problem!

Good luck

I promise i will write a complete blog article in DT about the DOF myth. Is not about cameras , is not about all in focus images, is not about your equipment. IS about your skills and how you use your equipment , what lense and what distance focal you choose to take a picture, what aperture you set, how to do a good image, and how to use focus and out of focus in a image...is about that nothing more
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Peanutroaster
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Message posted at 12/13/2012, 21:45:04 PM by Peanutroaster
Goat - dark, ears cropped out of the frame, fence. What is the story/concept?

Read some of Wisconsinart blogs - he is brutally honest about what it takes to be successful in stock.

Spend hours looking at the top sellers here to start seeing what stock is all about.
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