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Illustrator as well as photographer - can it be?

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Wiscan
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Message edited at 01/24/2013, 05:53:30 AM by Wiscan
   1967 Ford Mustang GT Fastback   

Hi all

I am known more for photos than drawing, but have recenlty uploaded countless illustrations of the most recognizable classic cars I have drawn. I have many more and it seems there are few cars I haven't drawn. Hope you like and sold my first TIFF file out of the new batch so happy with that! Mustang and Corvette are the first off the mark.
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Bbofdon
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Message posted at 01/24/2013, 08:47:21 AM by Bbofdon
Fantastic drawings and all due credit to you.

Just one query however - how are the images accepted with such prominent logos etc, as it was my understanding that they would be refused for the following reason?

The image contains elements that might be protected by copyright/trademark (logos, brands, specific buildings etc.),
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Rolmat
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Message posted at 01/24/2013, 19:20:33 PM by Rolmat - member is an admin

Originally posted by Bbofdon:
Quoted Message: Fantastic drawings and all due credit to you.Just one query however - how are the images accepted with such prominent logos etc, as it was my understanding that they would be refused for the following reason?The image contains elements that might be protected by copyright/trademark (logos, brands, specific buildings etc.),


This is an editorial image.


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Wiscan
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Message posted at 01/25/2013, 02:14:50 AM by Wiscan
Yes - a play off between Royalty free and editorial. Only one car - the Yellow Corvette Stingray is both (I removed logos). I have searched and there are odd results with RF images. I have seen them with logos in and Dreamstime have appeared to miss it which isn't my experience.

A picture of a Mercedes with the logo missing (Which is always a prominent part of the car's personality and brand always looks wrong.

I am hoping that they still sell in their perfect (although not RF) guise.

Thanks for compliments :)
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Bbofdon
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Message posted at 01/25/2013, 03:27:52 AM by Bbofdon
Thanks for clarification.
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Debspoons
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Message posted at 01/26/2013, 09:30:41 AM by Debspoons
Very nice classic cars.
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 01/26/2013, 11:29:47 AM by Wisconsinart
I have a few free hand drawings submitted and will be taking an online class for Illustrator but I don't have the skill for your type of precision.

When I see drawings like these, there is always a possibility they may have been traced from existing photographs. I hope this is not the case; I have seen Illustrators banned from DT and their accounts closed for tracing from work that is not theirs.

I found several of your drawings here:

http://reviews.ebay.ie/Ford-Mustang-Cars-Convertible-Coupe-Fastback-GT?ugid=10000000007477598

The quality of the images there are not very good so it's hard to tell if they were copied from photographs, they are your images, or someone stole them from you.

If these are your images being used without your permission, you have a problem. If your drawings are traced from images that you do not have Rights to, you have a problem. If the images are yours then there is no problem. :-)

Your images are exclusive and some that are being used do not have sales so I am concerned.

I don't want to sound like I'm accusing you of anything but this has come up before, many people are not aware of copyright details; some Contributors have had their accounts closed as a result. If this a case where you traced the images from existing photographs/drawings, you cannot sell your drawings as your own work.

I hope the original images are yours; if they are traced/copied you may want to contact Support for clarification.
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Wiscan
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Message posted at 01/27/2013, 03:41:42 AM by Wiscan
Thanks for your concern I think you need to be aware of how professional illustrators work when doing technical drawings. More commonly than not tracings are made from their own photographs to make sure the work is accurate and this gives them that professional look and it's the only way I have ever known me or fellow illustrators to work on this type of content. This is different if I draw landscapes or organic subjects, which are totally freehand, as a different set of unwritten rules apply. I have published prints and cards many years ago featuring car images and I am quite at liberty to allow editorial or otherwise rights to illustrations that I own creative copyright to.

I shall post a time lapse of me doing an illustration for those doubters.

Wish you well with yours and if you need any assistance or tips I am happy to advise!
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Wiscan
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Message edited at 01/27/2013, 03:52:00 AM by Wiscan
Time lapse of drawing yesterday http://youtu.be/eSaKNQ_BS8g

P.S.

thanks for your concern. I am aware of the Golden Era collectors cards and prints as I set up that business many years ago and it still has permission to sell those images. In fact most of the sets have a credit to me on the back of the top cards or a tiny 'RW' close to the tyre on the illustration. If you visit my website at www.theartofengland.co.uk you can read this history. I have also had my artworks on postage stamps in the UK.
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 01/27/2013, 08:49:48 AM by Wisconsinart
I knew it could be your own work but while this type of discussion does not happen often, every time it has come up, the artist was shown to be copying work that was not their own.

What makes it worse for them is they are adamant the work is "theirs" because they created it. Yes, you created it but you can't copy and call it your own. Even with experienced artists, there are those who still do not understand copyright rules.

And I know I can sound like I'm being the bad guy but better me trying to help than the original artist or DT staff asking questions.

When I take my Illustrator class I hope I can at least learn 1% of what you already know. :-)
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Wiscan
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Message posted at 01/28/2013, 02:07:07 AM by Wiscan
Yes, I trailed countless car shows, owners meets, exhibitions and head knowledge for 10 years or so to be able to do the cars justice. As I mentioned on my website, I bought and owned classics such as Daimlers, MkII Jaguar, E-Type (or XKE as some of you know them - see I told you I knew stuff) Jag, MGBs etc .

One or two were my fathers cars remembered from childhood. Many owners actually wanted 'their' cars on the cards such were their impact. I have all the originals still in files and there must be 300 of them - a lot of time (all after work) spent in the evenings for years.

Thanks for looking out for me - I have found my photographs used illegally by people who should know better, but I guess there will always be people flouting the laws.
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Mike2focus
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Message posted at 01/28/2013, 20:52:17 PM by Mike2focus
Awesome drawing! Very very impressive.
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