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When should you start worry about sales

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Matthiase
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 08:15:00 AM by Matthiase - member is an admin
Im shooting almost everyday to fill up my portfolio with a wide spectrum of images for all clients/situations.

As you see my portfolio isnt very big yet, my question is. What baseline of images should you have in your portfolio before you start thinking about of the sales.
My main goal now it to fill up my portfolio, THEN the sale part becomes important.

Should i start think about sales when i have a 100 pictures online? 1000? 10000? etc.

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BCritchley
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 08:57:36 AM by BCritchley - member is an admin
You should not think about sales, why? you really have no control on who buys your stuff. Concentrate on creating and uploading high quality, diverse conceptual images. There is no formula to portfolio size size. I have 200 unsold pictures in my port, stick them in your port and you will sill have no sales. One of my shots from Dec has sold 25 times in a few weeks, now you have only that in your port and its doing better than the 200 with zero sales. Just keep building and sales will cone if all is done well. Good luck.

Brett
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Miraclemoments
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 09:02:11 AM by Miraclemoments
ditto on the above comment. Think creatively and realise a commercial image when you see it. I still battle with the conceptual images in my pf but still try my best

good luck!!
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 09:27:43 AM by Wisconsinart
Not all portfolios are equal. If you search you can find a portfolio with 100 images and 1000 sales and another with 1000 images and 100 sales. And they will have joined the site around the same time.

The "Just Keep Uploading And You Will Get Sales!" mentality is the worst advice you will ever hear in stock. If you want to expedite your journey on the learning curve, study the database to see what gets sales and what doesn't. Look at similar images and understand why one has many sales and the other doesn't.

Learn how to answer this question: "WHAT IS STOCK?" (Hint: "Concepts.")

Lastly, learn how to overcome your limitations. We part timers and amateurs have minimal equipment. We don't have studio space nor do we have the means to hire models and rent on-site locations. What you do have is an unlimited imagination. Imagination, to me, is key; it helps you to find solutions to problems and it helps you discover many concepts that have not yet been covered in an industry over-saturated with the same-old-things.

Making time for stock and improving workflows is also important.

Don't bother studying portfolios like Yuri Arcurs other than to see how to execute a concept well. Yuri is also a stock factory, he has up to 100 people on staff behind him. Imagine being able to shoot 100 images in three hours and then having someone else clean up behind you and do all the post-processing and uploading! Look at the successful AMATEURS who have this business figured out. There are a number of amateurs here, people with no time and resources, who are able to statistically out-perform the professionals. These are the people you want to find and learn from. Don't look at me, I ain't one of them.

This is also a business in which BOTH quality and quantity rules. Find another activity to do on the side if you can't produce quality. $30/month doesn't get you anywhere either if you can't produce images in quantity. You have to do BOTH if you ever want to get there.
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Red
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 09:36:42 AM by Red
You say that you have been shooting a lot but you've been here a year and only have 53 images. There are a number of "similars" in your portfolio which multiplies your chances of low sellers. For example, if no one is looking for beach huts you've eliminated 11 of your images. If you search for beach huts there are only 1,681 other choices so that might be a good subject but not 11 of the same huts at different angles. If there is a small buying audience for beach huts you will likely not sell any of those images, or maybe 1 or 2.

You have sold an image of raspberries but you have 2 other shots that are similar so the other 2 will probably not sell. The one that did sell was chosen from the 10,283 other raspberry images on the site so well done. Same for plum tree - you have 3 very similar and one sold so the other 2 will likely not sell. Look at all of your similars and decide which one is the best and get rid of some. If you eliminated your similars you would only have around 32 unique images which cuts your available choices to any buyer down from 53.

Similars is a hard concept to grasp and many get upset when they are not accepted but cutting your shots down to just a couple of great shots of the same subject creates more sales of those.


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Matthiase
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 10:09:34 AM by Matthiase - member is an admin

Originally posted by Red:
Quoted Message: You say that you have been shooting a lot but you`ve been here a year and only have 53 images. There are a number of "similars" in your portfolio which multiplies your chances of low sellers. For example, if no one is looking for beach huts you`ve eliminated 11 of your images. If you search for beach huts there are only 1,681 other choices so that might be a good subject but not 11 of the same huts at different angles. If there is a small buying audience for beach huts you will likely not sell any of those images, or maybe 1 or 2.You have sold an image of raspberries but you have 2 other shots that are similar so the other 2 will probably not sell. The one that did sell was chosen from the 10,283 other raspberry images on the site so well done. Same for plum tree - you have 3 very similar and one sold so the other 2 will likely not sell. Look at all of your similars and decide which one is the best and get rid of some. If you eliminated your similars you would only have around 32 unique images which cuts your available choices to any buyer down from 53.Similars is a hard concept to grasp and many get upset when they are not accepted but cutting your shots down to just a couple of great shots of the same subject creates more sales of those.


Okey, i guess there a whole new view on sales in stockphoto compared to other businesses.
Having a large and wide spectrum of things so sale (similars), will give you alot of sales. Giving the client more to choose from, but that dosent apply to stock?.
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Libux77
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 10:14:59 AM by Libux77
I made your same reasoning....and I was wrong. Numbers of uploads doesn't matter....
I'm near 1000 uploads and roughly 600 ones with no sales....really frustrating......lots of time wasted

As someone said there are portfolio with 100 images and 1000 sales. Study the database and learn what sells and what doesn't sell...don't waste your time on subject that doesn't sell

Quality is better than quantity ;-)


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BCritchley
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 10:15:03 AM by BCritchley - member is an admin
"Giving the client more to choose from, but that dosent apply to stock?." Not if what you offer is average or below average, if you offer above average then yes more = more. Just numbers alone does not = sales.
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Miraclemoments
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 10:21:03 AM by Miraclemoments
Matthiase, what I could suggest is look carefully at your key wording as well...you have bird images in your PF with "eagle" as a keyword and they are nowhere near eagles. Correct key words are vital for sales as well.
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 10:42:53 AM by Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Matthiase:
Quoted Message: Okey, i guess there a whole new view on sales in stockphoto compared to other businesses.Having a large and wide spectrum of things so sale (similars), will give you alot of sales. Giving the client more to choose from, but that dosent apply to stock?.


Take a picture of a tomato. Now turn the the tomato 90 degrees so you can photograph the left side of the tomato. Do it again the other way so you can get the right side. Don't forget the top, bottom, and back.

That is essentially what your series of beach huts are. Do you think Buyers worry about having to choose from the left side or right side of a beach hut? Upload the stronger images, delete the weak ones.

Also... Did you search on BEACH HUT and then sort to see what the best sellers look like? How do yours compare?
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Digikhmer
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 12:50:01 PM by Digikhmer
According to my experience, my sales started when my portfolio reached 200 online pictures.
It get a boost when my portfolio covered most of the year seasonal topics as Christmas, Thanksgiving, Eater, Valentine, Summer holiday etc ... So don't worry ... sales always come for those who has a variety of photos in their portfolio ...
Inspirations and opportunities ...

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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 02/03/2013, 13:58:13 PM by Lenutaidi

Originally posted by Digikhmer:
Quoted Message: According to my experience, my sales started when my portfolio reached 200 online pictures.It get a boost when my portfolio covered most of the year seasonal topics as Christmas, Thanksgiving, Eater, Valentine, Summer holiday etc ... So don`t worry ... sales always come for those who has a variety of photos in their portfolio ...

My sales not so started!I have 253 online,but just 19 sales.Not is a rule that sales start after completing at least 200 online.Depends on the quality and keywords.Your pictures are still great quality,Matthiase
!Be patience and good luck!


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Grisho
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Message edited at 02/03/2013, 14:31:32 PM by Grisho - member is an admin

Originally posted by Digikhmer:
Quoted Message: According to my experience, my sales started when my portfolio reached 200 online pictures.


As Winsconsinart said, these statements are misleading. It's not about the number.

I saw an increase in sales not when I started to upload more, but when I deleted half of the images in my portfolio.

I now make between $200-250/month with only 300 images online, and probably just 100 of them are sold on regular basis.
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Alvera
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 15:05:24 PM by Alvera
I start worry after reading this (no joke at all):
http://alveraphoto.blogspot.ro/2013/02/the-end-of-stock-photography.html
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Digikhmer
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Message posted at 02/03/2013, 16:33:47 PM by Digikhmer

Originally posted by Grisho:
Quoted Message: As Winsconsinart said, these statements are misleading. It`s not about the number. I saw an increase in sales not when I started to upload more, but when I deleted half of the images in my portfolio.I now make between $200-250/month with only 300 images online, and probably just 100 of them are sold on regular basis.


There is something that designers do. I compare it with the restaurants. The more people is in the restaurant the more people want to get in. For the designers who are looking for pictures, they might be more attracted to buy picture from portfolio which has a high downloads. Furthermore, if your picture is shown in the first position of the page, your download count can be similar to an exponential graph. Grisho, you have one of the point for a successful portfolio.
Inspirations and opportunities ...

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