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Mudplucker
Hi DT Admin,

I'm about to start shooting the people shots and I'm talking serious business so I'd like to know if i should post all these questions here so we can all benefit or if i need to submit them in private.... so i'll try here first, Here goes:

(1). I have noticed that on several photos from "top photographers" that when their background is discernible but "blown out" that their are "bits" of the subjects face that is blown out as well. Is this tolerable for all of us if it is within reason ????

(2) When you say you like your photos with "exquisite lighting" if it is diffused at what point do you consider it to be too much ?

(3) Some top stock contributors photos with blown out backgrounds have a "washed out" look to the model sometimes.. I plan to submit about one quarter of my shots in this style. Are there any problems with this ????

I understand that if a photo "works" it will be accepted, I'm just trying to make life easier for me and the reviewer that gets hundreds of photos unloaded on them. since this is now a business, i need to contact you for any and every reject to find out what i have done wrong, so therefore i plan to not have rejects, or at least keep them to a minimum. I have 9 models and i am ready to start shooting. thanks if you can answer all questions! Mudplucker
Canon T2i and 5D classic, 85mm 1.8, 50mm 1.8, Canon 70-200 F2.8 L IS...
Posted: 03/05/2013, 11:51:19 AM
Red
Keep in mind the upload dates of the photos you are viewing. Requirements and criteria for acceptance has tightened up extremely since DT began. If an image sold in 2005 it is still in the database but might not be accepted today. So be careful when you are referencing photos as examples. DOF (background blur) is an art and must be done properly, main subject of any photo must be tack sharp. Light diffusion just means don't have any really hard highlights or shadows, keep your lighting even. If you are trying to emulate a top photog you might run into trouble so submit one image in the "style" you are trying to duplicate before you take lots of photos this way. See if it gets accepted. Many of those people photos you are referring to look outdated today. Just my thoughts...
Posted: 03/05/2013, 12:02:48 PM
Dudau
Admin
We don't review photos on the forum, and it's pretty hard to talk about hypotetical situations. As you may have noticed, every refusal comes with a reason. Most of the times, every fault is included in that reason, so you should take your time and read those refusal reasons very careful. If you still haven't figured out the problem, you can write to us and ask for more details. Just keep in mind not to write for every refusal, that's not encouraged.

Also, try to upload small series in the beginning, until you figure everything out, so you won't hurt your approval ratio very bad.

Now, let's see your images! Good luck!
Dreams
Posted: 03/05/2013, 12:16:49 PM
Mudplucker
Hi Red ! No these are all pretty new withinh the last 18 months, and my buddy Yuri provided me with tons of credits to download photos which i study in a raw file converter. That is how i know exactly what areas are blown out, the color temps in the photo and everything. Imagine my surprise one morning when i received a phone call from Cape Town, S. Africa from Lucy G., one of Yuri's support team !!!! I was on cloud 9 all day long !!!!!!!

For someone that has a lot to manage and tons of bills to pay, he sure is generous. One thing i am going to do before submitting any of these is to ask myself: If I were working for Yuri, would i be ashamed to submit this photo to him representing what he has taught me. So hopefully i will not have any rejects, but we will see.

Good advice from Dudau to only submit small batches at a time just in case.
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Posted: 03/05/2013, 12:54:29 PM
Wisconsinart
It’s my opinion you’re going to be better off developing a style that works for you. And this is mainly because most of us do not have the means to duplicate what the high end stockers can do. It’s not that we can’t do what they do, lighting techniques are not that hard to understand or implement, but “those guys” have the equipment to pull it off. You can get fantastic results with three lights but the pros utilize backlighting techniques, lights on booms, and some use lights to blow out the background. It can cost thousands of dollars just to buy the booms and stands. And why bother if you don’t have the proper SPACE to handle all the equipment?

The true art of stock is CONCEPTS, even simple ones. I was admiring an image the other day from one of the big shots, it was nothing more than a senior couple smiling. The way the heads were arranged for composition was ever so subtle yet stunning. It didn’t hurt either the man and woman were very attractive for being over 50.

You can contrast images like that with what the amateurs are producing. Keyword search PRETTY SMILING GIRL and you will find thousands of images with good lighting but poorly executed concepts. Girl next to tree, girl holding flower, girl in a stiff “model” pose. It should be a clue these images have no sales yet people continue to duplicate these types of images over and over. Give the girl a map and a suitcase and create a travel concept, gol’dernit!

Yuri Arcurs gives away all of his secrets yet only a handful come close to doing what he does. Yuri became a success because he UNDERSTOOD THE STOCK INDUSTRY which is where most everyone fails. The studio, the equipment, his company, those all came LATER.
Nikon D800, D100, Canon G15
Posted: 03/05/2013, 13:17:00 PM
Mudplucker
Hi Wisconsinart: thanks for the food for thought. I know my stuff won't compete pixel for pixel with Yuri and company, I have about 4 different styles i am working on that are totally my own diffusion techniques and working with what i have. I'm just trying to find out about the small things like some "blown highlights" and stuff before i go submitting.

And you are right, the composition is everything. Shoot wide and let my professional composer decide. That's my plan, i think we pretty well have all the bases covered. Luckily i have had some professional help offered to me from various pros in the stock business. sometimes you ask and you shall receive....
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Posted: 03/05/2013, 16:08:42 PM
Mudplucker
but also though, i do believe that i am going to be the guy that shows that you CAN compete without breaking the bank. I have not spent a lot but i have learned a lot about lighting, and even more importantly, diffusion of light, and i hope that my pictures will speak for themselves in the very near future. (especially since i have been doing so much talking about it).....

So once i start loading them up I'll be back to either be humiliated by you all or to ask for my "Crown".... :)
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Posted: 03/05/2013, 16:25:46 PM
Melonstone
It's great that you're so enthusiastic (& fab to get support from Yuri), but less time on the message boards & more time shooting & post-processing is the only way forward.

Trying to emulate "top" photographers can sometimes be disheartening as such images rarely measure up so developing your own style that can easily be achieved with your equipment is a must.

Not sure if you have access to a local photographic studio that can be rented by the hour/day, complete with different backdrops, pro lighting set-up, meters, reflectors etc, but a couple of sessions in an equipped studio really expands your knowledge base and develops your skills very quickly. Just a thought....sometimes getting out there & doing it rather than talking about it is the best way.

Looking forward to seeing more pics from you in the near future!
CANON EOS 50D
Posted: 03/06/2013, 10:45:51 AM
Mudplucker
uploading a few from my first shoot now to Dt for review.....
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Posted: 03/18/2013, 12:55:50 PM
Parkinsonsniper
(1). I have noticed that on several photos from "top photographers" that when their background is discernible but "blown out" that their are "bits" of the subjects face that is blown out as well. Is this tolerable for all of us if it is within reason ????

This is a very hard technique. They blow some parts of the model intentionally, but they know what they are doing. I don't think it's a good idea to go that deep, before you have some serious experience (maybe 4-5 years)

I suppose you are not talking about face contour or rim light.

(2) When you say you like your photos with "exquisite lighting" if it is diffused at what point do you consider it to be too much ?

In terms photography, there is no precise descriptions. One lighting technique is good for a concept, while it is very bad for another one.

See these shots,

   Female Face on Dark Background   
   Black Spots - Acne   

They both have taken at the same day and same setup. I just turned off the front main light. They have similar framings with similar poses, but they serve for very very different concepts and they both have sales.

You can use a very very hard shadow to create a hard emotion or mystery or use a very soft one...who knows? Noone but you will decide what is right.

(3) Some top stock contributors photos with blown out backgrounds have a "washed out" look to the model sometimes.. I plan to submit about one quarter of my shots in this style. Are there any problems with this ????

This is very similar to the first question. There is a very thin line between blow up and wash up :)) give it a try but I generally don't go that way :)

I hope it helps now :)
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Edited: 03/19/2013, 18:57:26 PM
Lisafx
Great advice in this thread. I will just add that it is natural to want to emulate the most successful photographers, but not necessarily the way to be successful yourself. Yuri already has many imitators and if you go that route you will be just one more of them lost in the sea of sameness. Best to come up with your own ideas and develop your own style if you want your photos to stand out :)
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Posted: 03/19/2013, 12:58:01 PM
Parkinsonsniper
Now that I saw "my buddy Yuri" thing on one of the posts in this thread...I'm pretty confused. I eagerly wait for those model images to be uploaded. I will rush to mudplucker's stream to see them :) I really wonder the used light and postprocess - retouching techniques being used. Come on admins, hurry :))
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Posted: 03/19/2013, 18:54:45 PM
Mudplucker
FIRST 14 SUBMITTED AND WAITING (1 of which is now my user photo over to the left, just click to view a little bigger) ! MODEL RELEASE CAME FROM YURI TOO !
But hopefully you will see that i have developed my own style of shooting and retouching, mostly to accomodate the lower priced equipment that i have available, although i expect by the time i get 15 or 20 shoots behind me that i will just as good if not better than some of the top people. Mostly thanks to people here on DT giving out info for the last year while i was studying. Now it is time to work !

if they all make it you will be one of the first on the list of thank you's Parkinsonsniper !!!!! and you too Lisafx !
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Edited: 03/19/2013, 23:08:57 PM
Robinstockphotos
I'm waiting too. I'm seriously curious after reading your posts. I may not be commenting around because I'm more of an observer...but be sure I'm reading every line. haha!
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Posted: 03/20/2013, 07:53:00 AM
Mudplucker
Parkinsonsniper: I did not really use any Yuri techniques here on my first shoot for the most part except in one photo.... I'll change that to my new profile picture now...

Well i don't know why but you must click my profile photo on the left of this post to go to the girl in the window on cell phone that i wanted you to see.....

The next shoot with this model that we do in the studio is going to have a lot of the color purple with a lot of "POP" to the colors along with some magnificent, creative lighting techniques that i think you will really like. For the first shoot we wanted to be somewhat conservative. When i say "we" I am talking about my 9 year old god daughter that is my model. She helps me plan and execute these shoots :)
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Edited: 03/20/2013, 15:51:27 PM
Clearvista
I have suddenly lost all interest in television, radio and reading. I spend all my entertainment time glued to this thread.
IS, Cannon 70-200, Canon 100-400 IS. Giotto tripod....
Posted: 03/20/2013, 16:12:01 PM
Mudplucker
Thanks Clearvista ! I hope it is a compliment, but even if not at least i am getting some attention from somebody :)

I've been sort of quiet for over a year but now i feel like i have gotten this thing down pretty well and it is time to start producing. My 9 year old wants to have 1000 images of her online by the end of the year....
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Posted: 03/20/2013, 16:21:51 PM
Parkinsonsniper
@Mudplucker, I took a look at your shot. It's a nice one for sure. I won't critisize it deeply in either good or bad way :) it's none of my business. But I think sooner or later you will solve the trick and start creating nice pictures. My suggestion for you is to take a look at "color themes". Colors of costumes and background/objects should be in harmony and not steal attention from the model (unless the costume or that object itself is not the main subject). It will help you a lot in your next photoshoots.

Thanks for the example :) I appreciate your creative way of showing the preview heheheh
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Edited: 03/20/2013, 16:49:19 PM
Clearvista
I am so pleased to go to bed smiling. Thanks Guys for lifting my mood. Goodnight.
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Posted: 03/20/2013, 17:08:24 PM
Mudplucker
Parkinsonsniper: Actually we placed that blue shopping bag there to draw attention Title is "Girl reporting to friend after day of shopping"

I do have several shopping photos with girl holding bags already from this shoot with patriotic Red, White and Blue bags but have not processed them yet... they will be submitted next week.
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Edited: 03/20/2013, 21:12:50 PM
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