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Subscription sales

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Rccster
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Message edited at 04/29/2013, 12:58:21 PM by Rccster
I've been thinking a bit about subscription sales lately, trying to determine how I feel about them.

On one hand they contribute to the image increasing in level, but on the other hand you don't get a whole lot of revenue. I know one thing though; every sale counts and I'm happy for each and every one of them, even subscription ones :)

Maybe there is a way to both keep the subscription sales and increase the revenue for contributors at the same time

Any suggestions on how this can be achieved?

Maybe it could be regulated so that the additional format is unavailable for subscriptions, because getting an additional format for a few cents might seem a bit too generous I think.

What do you think?


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Message posted at 05/01/2013, 16:41:26 PM by Robinstockphotos
Nobody replied. -_-

Well, wouldn't such policies put away Dreamstime as unattractive for buyers? We should tolerate some of this stuff right now. Maybe one day we'd have a huge market and more sales. DT is growing fast. Look at the statistics. :)
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Elianehaykal
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Message posted at 05/01/2013, 23:53:27 PM by Elianehaykal
Are you sure they contribute to the increase in image level? If I remember correctly, that's not so anymore.


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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/02/2013, 00:23:47 AM by Rccster

Originally posted by Elianehaykal:
Quoted Message: Are you sure they contribute to the increase in image level? If I remember correctly, that`s not so anymore.


Yes, I'm quite sure they do (fortunately)


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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/02/2013, 00:28:27 AM by Rccster

Originally posted by Robinstockphotos:
Quoted Message: Nobody replied. -_-Well, wouldn`t such policies put away Dreamstime as unattractive for buyers? We should tolerate some of this stuff right now. Maybe one day we`d have a huge market and more sales. DT is growing fast. Look at the statistics. :)


Well, I knew you would anyway ;)

Yes, maybe we have to tolerate this kind of generosity for the time being.


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Ajv123ajv
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Message posted at 05/04/2013, 07:49:06 AM by Ajv123ajv
When you get 5 sub sales in a row over a few days it is hard to not want some better sales to balance them out.


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Message posted at 05/04/2013, 08:44:35 AM by Robinstockphotos
haha! When I'm bored I mess around here. Hopefully, I'm not annoying people.

And well, you know what, I think the large and extra large etc sizes should not be given away under subscription. At least limit the size! :/
But DT alone can do nothing about this I suppose. All the websites would have agree together.
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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/04/2013, 16:17:15 PM by Rccster

Originally posted by Ajv123ajv:
Quoted Message: When you get 5 sub sales in a row over a few days it is hard to not want some better sales to balance them out.


Absolutely so!


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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/04/2013, 16:25:36 PM by Rccster

Originally posted by Robinstockphotos:
Quoted Message: haha! When I`m bored I mess around here. Hopefully, I`m not annoying people.And well, you know what, I think the large and extra large etc sizes should not be given away under subscription. At least limit the size! :/But DT alone can do nothing about this I suppose. All the websites would have agree together.


Haha no you're not annoying :) Your contribution to the message boards is most welcome :)

I took a quick look at my sales and noticed that 65% of them are subscriptions, AND in either extra large, maximum size or additional format :/


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Message edited at 05/04/2013, 19:02:47 PM by Robinstockphotos
Rccster Thanks for the sympathy. But you should be honest in the message boards. ;)
Or maybe you ARE right. I'm not that irritating. 40 people put me as favorite.

Sub sales of big stuff really needs to be stopped. This is being discussed by some microstock website owners and photographers in a Facebook group. The group has almost all the big players, including Andres R (the contributor from UK) who has the maximum number of files online on DT now I guess.

Hopefully something can be done. Sub sales are also a loss when companies violate terms and bundle up thousands of high-red images and make it available for free. There are thousands of "free" stock photo packages on the internet with over 10,000+ files each at full res. You think someone can buy or painstakingly collect that amount to distribute away for free? Impossible.

It is obviously some big buyers using sub sales in a bad way. I also got to know from 7 different employees of corporations with sub plans that the employees have unused downloads every weekend when the corp doesn't need images to work with. The staff can download any images they wish that day. 25 is usually the limit. Sounds bad. 25 full size images downloaded without purpose by a random staff member. :/
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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/05/2013, 05:49:22 AM by Rccster

Originally posted by Robinstockphotos:
Quoted Message: Rccster Thanks for the sympathy. But you should be honest in the message boards. ;)Or maybe you ARE right. I`m not that irritating. 40 people put me as favorite.Sub sales of big stuff really needs to be stopped. This is being discussed by some microstock website owners and photographers in a Facebook group. The group has almost all the big players, including Andres R (the contributor from UK) who has the maximum number of files online on DT now I guess.Hopefully something can be done. Sub sales are also a loss when companies violate terms and bundle up thousands of high-red images and make it available for free. There are thousands of "free" stock photo packages on the internet with over 10,000+ files each at full res. You think someone can buy or painstakingly collect that amount to distribute away for free? Impossible.It is obviously some big buyers using sub sales in a bad way. I also got to know from 7 different employees of corporations with sub plans that the employees have unused downloads every weekend when the corp doesn`t need images to work with. The staff can download any images they wish that day. 25 is usually the limit. Sounds bad. 25 full size images downloaded without purpose by a random staff member. :/


Interesting! Would be interesting to hear from DT staff if this has been considered. Admin???


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Godfer
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Message edited at 05/09/2013, 04:39:13 AM by Godfer

Originally posted by Robinstockphotos:
Quoted Message: The staff can download any images they wish that day. 25 is usually the limit. Sounds bad. 25 full size images downloaded without purpose by a random staff member. :/

That is exactly how we can make money out of subs. I wish subs didn't exist but they do and there isn't a lot we can do about it. Images that are downloaded and never used mean extra money for us. There is no way images that aren't going to be used would be downloaded if they had to pay with credits.
Also I think that most of the images that appear on pirate sites are downloaded using stolen credit cards so they could still be downloaded even if subs didn't exist.
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Message posted at 05/10/2013, 04:24:15 AM by Robinstockphotos
No, I have done a detailed study. Stolen credit cards and stuff isn't responsible as a major factor.

The biggest factor is
1. General buyers uploading high res photos after buying them. The bad guys just try a Google image search on some popular level 5 image and simply "save as" the high res file some buyer uploaded on his site.

2. Company employees exploiting the sub feature to maintain personal collections. But they upload it on internet for "free" downloads because they get paid for the ads that show up on the download page.

As I have seen, it is a HUGE business, there are even fake collections available that contain junk and no photos. But there are genuine collections too.
The genuine collections give the uploaders an average income of $75-100 per month just via ads that display adult content and attract clicks.

This is a huge mess. I would not name the corporations or buyers or hosting websites...but this is happening. I have personally seen it happen.
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Imagerybycharly
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Message posted at 05/15/2013, 08:12:17 AM by Imagerybycharly
I thought subs meant a discount to the buyer on each size, not the same price for every size. Though I found out differently just now looking at my sales and saw XL/Maximum; no additional formats as I don't upload them. A bit perplexed....


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Rccster
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Message posted at 05/17/2013, 03:02:59 AM by Rccster
DT staff, could you please answer either this thread or at least my two e-mails I've sent you in this matter. I simply want to know if you think limiting the downloadable sizes for subscriptions would be a possible approach.

This way, I think, you can both keep subscriptions and increase revenue for contributors. Allowing the largest sizes and additional formats for a few cents seems to me a far too generous a deal.


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Zpphoto
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Message posted at 05/30/2013, 16:24:36 PM by Zpphoto
What is the verdict on this? Can we turn off sub sales on our images? I too have seen 5-6 sales in the past 3 weeks, all have been sub sales giving me a whopping $.42 . These same images when purchased regularly would net me $7-12 a piece?
Canon 60D, Canon 30D. 430ex Flash, 2 320 watt strobes, 1 160...

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Imagerybycharly
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Message posted at 05/31/2013, 07:49:02 AM by Imagerybycharly
True I haven't been here very long, but a bit surprised Admin chooses to ignore this growing concern for contributors. I have thought this over for some time trying to come up with a win win situation for all. Since we know tens of thousands of high res images are downloaded every year and never used, often being put up else where, I'd suggest subs be limited to Small 72ppi. If a client wishes to use an image for a project then they pay a discounted price for the high res size they need (including more money for higher level images) and receive a credit for the .35 - .45 they paid for the Small.

This will protect our high res images from being stolen, used/sold illegally, and no lost revenue to the client. Yet they have all the images to look at downloaded by their people to make the decisions and the contributor can make more than a mere pittance on Maximum sized high res subscription downloads. I mean really who wouldn't buy a Max high res image to use 10,000 copies of for $20? Even if they only net $1 per copy, they're ahead by $9,980 and we get $0.002 per copy instead of $0.000042....


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Zpphoto
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Message posted at 06/01/2013, 21:33:55 PM by Zpphoto
Again today, I have a subscription sale for the max res of a level 2 photo that netted me 42 cents....
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Message posted at 06/03/2013, 12:16:08 PM by Robinstockphotos
No stock photo sites would do anything about these issues.
Think of it this way:
Those agencies that care about their contributors 20% of the time and their profits 80% of the time....are the best agencies.
Those who don't care about contributors 95% of the time are bad ones. Just like we want profits, they want profits.

Stop complaining and let's start uploading before sub sales become $0.20 ! :P
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Mrallen
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Message edited at 06/04/2013, 06:57:16 AM by Mrallen
See my blog : My view on shooting Stock.

go to: http://blog.dreamstime.com/2013/06/04/my-view-on-shooting-for-stock_art39079
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