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Free photos and sales

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Sleepylog
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 06:12:52 AM by Sleepylog
Have those of you who agree to your rejected photos being listed in the free section, noticed an increase in sales as a result?
Ca

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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 07:23:40 AM by Wisconsinart
No. It's my opinion too is it's foolish to check the box to give away for free if rejected.
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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 05/08/2013, 07:51:11 AM by Lenutaidi
I'm not so sure is it's foolish to check the box to give away for free if rejected.....:)


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Miraclemoments
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 08:04:13 AM by Miraclemoments
I don't do it either. I did not join DT to give images away for free. If it is not good enough for stock it doesn't go on...simple as that.
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Sleepylog
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 08:11:01 AM by Sleepylog
Ok but no one is answering my question though, I'd love to hear from people who actually DO list their rejected images in the free section.
Ca

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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 08:18:06 AM by Wisconsinart

Originally posted by Lenutaidi:
Quoted Message: I`m not so sure is it`s foolish to check the box to give away for free if rejected.....:)


Do you check that box most of the time?

I was first published in 1974 and thus was the start of my freelance career. I foolishly learned many things about "exposure" which is a fancy word for Being Dumb Enough To Work For Free.

Giving a few images away for free is actually a good idea. Blindly checking the free box for all your rejections is foolish.
Nikon D800, D100, Canon G15

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Igordabari
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 09:22:30 AM by Igordabari

Originally posted by Sleepylog:
Quoted Message: Have those of you who agree to your rejected photos being listed in the free section, noticed an increase in sales as a result?


The only way to know influence of the free images on sales is to hace two identical PF of which one contains free images and another doesn't. Which is impossible.

I have 5 free images and an not going to have more. Have no idea if these 5 ibcrease or decrease my sales.
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 09:48:43 AM by Robinstockphotos
Blindly checking the box might not be such a bad idea.
So far I have not been able to get a single rejected photo up for free section.

My photos are either good for stock or they are so horrible that they can't even be given away for free.
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Wisconsinart
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Message edited at 05/08/2013, 10:10:53 AM by Wisconsinart
I think the smart thing to do is wait a few years if images don't sell you can decide then if they should be free. Flooding the market with free images is not a good idea. And no, "Exposure" is not going to get you many sales, if any at all. A small amount of free images does help.

I've worked on way too many projects for free over the years to know that EXPOSURE gains you nothing. Want sales? Then do GOOD work. Free images will not get sales for bad images.
Nikon D800, D100, Canon G15

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Lenutaidi
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Message edited at 05/08/2013, 10:12:10 AM by Lenutaidi

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: Do you check that box most of the time?I was first published in 1974 and thus was the start of my freelance career. I foolishly learned many things about "exposure" which is a fancy word for Being Dumb Enough To Work For Free.Giving a few images away for free is actually a good idea. Blindly checking the free box for all your rejections is foolish.

OK,Wisconsinart!I understand your point.You convinced me!:)Cheers!


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Nikon4004
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 15:45:41 PM by Nikon4004
My feeling is that if a buyer can get an ALMOST perfect image for free vs a perfect image for 5.00. OVer 10,000 images how much did they save.

No free ones for me!
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Afagundes
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Message posted at 05/08/2013, 17:10:42 PM by Afagundes
Posting bad rejected images is not going to attract buyers to your portfolio by the way, the other way around maybe...

I see no point in giving away free images. If you want exposure, than post them in your page, your blog, in the social media and link it to your portfolio, but dont give it away for free.
If someone copy-paste it, he is doing a fellony and you can still sue him, so you can add exposure without giving nothing away for free.

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Baronuk
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Message posted at 06/29/2013, 01:21:07 AM by Baronuk
I would suggest everyone checks their inbox and images

I have just discovered Dreamstime made a whole batch of my images available for free without my consent. (Failing to spot and respond to an email in a fixed time is not consent)

Needless to say I have now removed all images from Dreamstime and will not submit any more. They will not even let me delete them only 'disable'.

Irony is I only came across this after letting the account lapse for a while and then deciding I should make a serious effort.


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Wordplanet
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Message posted at 06/29/2013, 10:05:42 AM by Wordplanet
You can set your account so that the option is disable rather than free when you have an image that hasn't sold in 3 years. That way if you miss an email - so easy to do - you don't have to worry about them becoming available for free on DT instead of perhaps selling somewhere else. I have one image that has earned me a total of $257 elsewhere that never sold on DT and thus is now disabled. And I have a few single images that have made me close $75-100 apiece on DT that have earned me far less elsewhere or that were rejected on other sites. "Good enough" for stock is very subjective.

I was actually going to let one of my old early attempts at a vector become available free after not selling when I got one of those emails, thinking I'd experiment to see if it would boost looks at my portfolio, then decided it would reflect badly on my portfolio, so I disabled it.

So, I can't tell you if allowing freebies help, though I'm inclined to think it generally is not the best idea - certainly not for all rejected images. Unless you're exclusive, in my experience, there's always a chance that you can license them elsewhere.

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Bobbrooky
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Message posted at 06/29/2013, 13:55:56 PM by Bobbrooky
As Wisconsinart and Afagundes, have so eloquently suggested, if a required image is free, and its only 90% there, its going to be used, full stop. Especially in this age of so called austerity, that most of the civilised world now finds itself in. Buyers and picture researchers would find themselves disciplined, if they did anything else. The cost of us, living on this earth, will only ever go up, and will never be free, unfortunately. To invest time and money in giving away products for free, means your original product was never good enough in the first place!
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Alvera
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Message edited at 06/30/2013, 06:32:39 AM by Alvera

Originally posted by Wisconsinart:
Quoted Message: I`ve worked on way too many projects for free over the years to know that EXPOSURE gains you nothing. Want sales? Then do GOOD work. Free images will not get sales for bad images.


Agree. Agree. Agree.
Also, BAD FREE images (because rejected images can't be good, of course) will not get sales for bad images.

I understand that DT want to drive people to our images using free images, education or something. They can explain us better this marketing strategy...

I am one with some kind of anomaly, let me explain.
My second most downloaded image (38 dl till now) is an origami. I have 25569 views on it, this is HUGE. The next one have only 5726 views. And now comes the big question mark: I have a free origami photo in my free section which was downloaded many many times. Maybe this free (and VERY BAD) origami pointed to my best selling origami?! I don't know.

I have only 6 images in my free section, for momment I am also reticent to give images for free.

As I can see, the free origami make some "exposure" for my rest of origami photos (at least I think so, because they are on same page: http://www.stockfreeimages.com/14644395/Origami-bird-from-recycled-paper.html ), but only the GOOD one have sales, the others are dead.


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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/30/2013, 17:07:53 PM by Alvera
I don't understand this:

"Free images earnings

This page lists all sales made for images donated after 4 years of no sales or images that fail review but meet some minimum requirements for the free section. These images are currently featured on Stockfreeimages.com."

Nikon. 4x4 car for wildlife adventures. Inkscape for vectors...

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