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Figuring out modeling fees and shooting costs.

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Marsimo
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 02:05:54 AM by Marsimo
Hey everyone,

I'm new here and trying to find out all the necessary things in the world of stock. As I have a long list of ideas for shoots for the future, an important little variable has been puzzling me.

Obviously, if I hire people to model for me, and to enable me to have 100% release and rights for me to sell those images as stock, for various commercial purposes (what ever the image buyer needs it for), nobody's going to do it for free. Thus, the models need to be sufficiently compensated for the fact that their face might be selling products somewhere around the world or appearing in magazines.

Realizing the fact that various expenses can quickly add up, especially in the long run, and with no particular guarantees that photos from a given photo shoot will necessarily sell very well, this raises a question for me as to how much (generally) modelling fees actually are for stock shoots.

Could I perhaps get some insight from You on this? Is there a 'standard' ballpark for stock modelling fees? Are many models reluctant to do it, since they really can't know where/when the photos can be used? After all, I assume a photo 'could' be used in an unflattering way, perhaps in a magazine article regarding domestic violence, or something else that the model does not want it to be used in.

In the end, I'm basically trying to do the math on whether I can actually afford to do the various shoots I have in mind, or do I need thousands of dollars in my pocket before I can go ahead?

Thanks.


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Igordabari
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 02:55:47 AM by Igordabari
All my models participated in session just for free. They were quite sutisfied by getting a set of photo from session.
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Dieniti
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 03:43:25 AM by Dieniti
My models are family members and friends. They work all for free. In case I sell a pic for good price we celebrate together with a nice dinner ;-)
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Marsimo
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 05:45:57 AM by Marsimo
Aha, ok. Sure, I'm familiar fith TFP/TFCD, but in those cases it's always been about getting a particular shot for portfolio use. Not to be sold to third parties for commercial use.


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Dudau
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 06:38:56 AM by Dudau - member is an admin

Originally posted by Marsimo:
Quoted Message: After all, I assume a photo `could` be used in an unflattering way, perhaps in a magazine article regarding domestic violence, or something else that the model does not want it to be used in.In the end, I`m basically trying to do the math on whether I can actually afford to do the various shoots I have in mind, or do I need thousands of dollars in my pocket before I can go ahead?Thanks.


First of all, how the photos can be used pretty much depends on you and the concepts you choose to shoot. I doubt that a smiling happy woman shopping for perfumes will be used in a domestic violence context.

Besides that, we have a policy about sensitive subjects, specified both in the Model Release form and our Terms of use.

Regarding your financial concern, you really should start low on costs, and see how it goes. Shoot family and friends first, or maybe yourself, and then decide whether you should invest in professional models and expensive shootings or not.

Anyway, there's always a need for authentic looking people in stock photography, so keep this in mind when choosing models.
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Marsimo
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Message posted at 06/19/2013, 08:04:01 AM by Marsimo
Ah, good – that Sensitive Subjects part helps a lot, for sure. Thanks, for some reason I hadn't noticed that.

Unfortunately, my family and friends don't include the kinds of people I'm thinking of here. Sure, we've had people modelling for assigned commercial shoots for a few hundred bucks, but in the end, it's always the client who pays for it. This is my own money I'm worried about :) If I go ahead and set up 10 shoots of my own, each with 1-2 people, that could add up to something I can't afford right now. Sad, but true.

I guess I'll just try and offer them something and see what happens.


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Godfer
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Message posted at 06/20/2013, 04:18:27 AM by Godfer
I have used over a hundred models and all of them are family, friends or friends of friends. Every single one of them has been willing to work for photos and I will usually do a stock session and then a session just for them. When they are particularly good and I use them a lot then I will often compensate them in other ways. If you are careful about how you shoot them then they are unlikely to be used in an embarrassing way but make sure that they know the risks particularly the parents of children.
Canon 5D MK II

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Miketea
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Message posted at 06/20/2013, 05:11:49 AM by Miketea
Try ModelmayhemSearch your area and see if anyone will pose for free. Maybe give them the photos to boost their own modelling portfolio
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Wisconsinart
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Message posted at 06/20/2013, 05:47:44 AM by Wisconsinart
If you plan and script your shoot you can get dozens of different concepts in a short amount of time. This helps to justify various expenses.

However, this is easier said than done. There is a learning curve in mastering the logistics and your imagination.
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