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Reluctant Models

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Jormonago
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Message posted at 06/21/2013, 14:58:30 PM by Jormonago
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else often have trouble getting model releases? I have some great portraits, especially of my young cousins but I have found that many people are hesitant to be used for stock photos since they do not know how the pictures will be used.
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Johnstone335
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Message posted at 06/21/2013, 15:19:09 PM by Johnstone335
And yet you managed to persuade someone to sign a release for your image 'vomiting', well done.

Seriously, most models in the true sense would be happy to sign a release and as mentioned in another thread will even do it for free if given a set of prints for their own portfolio. Family members however usually don't understand the business so well and are concerned they may be used as an ad for an STD clinic.

I use my son so that I sign the release on his behalf.
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Suenos6
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Message posted at 06/21/2013, 16:31:49 PM by Suenos6
Totally understand as none of my family or friends will agree to appear in an image which could be used for practically any legal and decent purpose. To be fair I wouldn't want my Brad Pitt features ending up on the back of a bus either.

The answer does appear to be to hire "proper" models and then get them to do it for nothing in return for images for their own portfolio. Unless you are the much fabled and worshipped Uri Arcurs (or his equivalent) I just can't see how you can make it work by actually paying models. I can't see how you would ever get a return on your investment.

Probably explains why I stick to photographing inanimate objects!!

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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/21/2013, 19:54:02 PM by Alvera

Originally posted by Jormonago:
Quoted Message: Just out of curiosity, does anyone else often have trouble getting model releases? I have some great portraits, especially of my young cousins but I have found that many people are hesitant to be used for stock photos since they do not know how the pictures will be used.


Often?! Not often, EVERY TIME. People are bad. I am looking for cyborg models now. BTW, do you wanna be my model? I will be yours in exchange.
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Debramillet
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Message edited at 06/21/2013, 20:32:07 PM by Debramillet
I found this picture of my mom and nephew in a portuguese magazine article about keeping active during menopause   Grandmother teaching grandson lawn work    felt funny telling her but she had a good laugh about it


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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 04:03:11 AM by Robinstockphotos
I'm from India. Terribly conservative people who don't ever put their photos even on Facebook. The remaining ones who aren't conservative wouldn't allow you to use their photos to earn because they get jealous of the $0.2. If you strike a deal they would say you are trying to buy them.

Exception - girlfriends. But again, it is as good as risking my life. Because if the photos don't sell..... I'm sure you can imagine the wrath of a beautiful teen girl declared as level 0 with reduced prices.

My solution - employ animal models.
Shoot photos with your model's face blurred
Shoot silhouette type photos.

This model is very expressive but doesn't ask for releases. And wouldn't mind if you used it on pervert stuff. He doesn't get filtered off for adult content even when he doesn't dress. I hope this solves your problems. At least now you do have the idea. ;)

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Cglightning
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 05:07:06 AM by Cglightning
i create my models by myself. ;o)
No Problems with Releases *g*

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Godfer
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 10:35:21 AM by Godfer
I live in Mallorca, Spain and I find that most people here are willing to sign. I think it depends what part of the world you live in. I have had over a hundred models sign so far and could easily get many more.
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Myersct
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 14:32:13 PM by Myersct
I've also had trouble getting releases signed. Here I think it's that people just don't understand stock photography and how it works. Not knowing how the photos might be used seems to freak people out, especially if the model is a child.
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Miraclemoments
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 15:24:51 PM by Miraclemoments
Like you said...people don't understand stock. I often take time to explain what it is all about. In addition I offer discounts on packages if clients are happy to have the images posted for stock. No release...normal price.

If you are going to approach models or people for stock make sure you know them...that is easiest and will almost always ensure signed releases.

Good luck!!
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 15:53:31 PM by Angelaostafichuk
@Debramillet that's funny about your mom and a very cute story. I find if you're willing to exchange your services for a few copies of pictures many people will happily pose. I always think about the pictures I see clogging my feed on Facebook, there seems to be no shame in my generation!


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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 16:19:30 PM by Alvera
Robin pointed very good: many people think that you will become rich and they will get only some photos...
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Igordabari
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Message posted at 06/22/2013, 23:04:31 PM by Igordabari
I am from Moscow, Russia. None of my friends and/or my colleagues refused to sign MR, so far. (I have images of 5 models in my PF). Recently, my colleague signed a MR for her little daughter without any hesitation. For sure, all the images went to their portfolios also, not only to DT.
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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/23/2013, 05:52:37 AM by Alvera
Wish you good luck, Igor. I am looking for new models for about a year and nothing. I think the end of stock adventure is very close for me :( Without people in pictures, stock is a waste of time if looking for money, not only for fun :|
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Igordabari
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Message posted at 06/23/2013, 07:06:03 AM by Igordabari
Come to Moscow, Your Majesty. I will provide You with as many models as You only need. For free :)
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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/23/2013, 08:41:33 AM by Alvera
Thanks a lot. Someday I will come. I saw you have a lot of "stars" in your photos :)
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Igordabari
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Message posted at 06/23/2013, 08:47:50 AM by Igordabari

Originally posted by Alvera:
Quoted Message: Thanks a lot. Someday I will come. I saw you have a lot of "stars" in your photos :)


Much more stars are still out waiting for You, Your Majesty :)
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Alvera
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Message edited at 06/23/2013, 10:00:19 AM by Alvera
Thanks again.
Talking of stars and astronomy, I had the chance to shoot the Supermoon yesterday and waiting in this night for the super-supermoon. I am sure you know about this, but for our friends photographers that are too busy with common terrestrial subjects, I will copy-paste this:

"What is a Supermoon?

A Supermoon is a name given to a somewhat rare event, when the moon is new or "full", and it is physically at its closest point to our planet. As the moon rotates in its elliptical orbit around the Earth, there are two points that astronomers marked with names: "lunar perigee", which is the the point of the closest distance of the moon to our planet at 363,104 kilometers, and "lunar apogee", which is the point of the farthest distance of the moon from our planet at 405,696 kilometers. So when lunar perigee coincides with a new moon, which normally happens several times a year, the "Supermoon" can appear up to 13% larger and 30% brighter compared to a full moon at lunar apogee. Although the Supermoon can be seen several times a year, only one of those is usually the most "super", meaning it is the fullest and the closest of them all. And that date for 2013 happens to be June 23."

I think I will put this on a new thread :)
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Igordabari
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Message edited at 06/23/2013, 10:01:38 AM by Igordabari
SuperMoon does not deserve a new thread, Your majesty. Since 13% difference is hardly noticed... No reasons for excitation. Just a Moon which can we shot. Not less. But not more.
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Alvera
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Message posted at 06/23/2013, 10:04:23 AM by Alvera
I expect some math here. How many more pixels means this 13%? I started the new thread, waiting for you and other science people there :)
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