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Photographer's ID will soon be mandatory

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Achilles
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Message edited at 10/16/2007, 03:19:08 AM by Admin
As an extra measure of security and fraud prevention, photographers will be required to upload a copy of a photo ID (only one of the following: ID card, passport, driving license).



All future contributors will be required to have one on file before uploading images and all previous contributors will be required to upload one before requesting a payment.

For contributors who have already received payments from us, this will not be drastically enforced in the beginning as we realize this will require an extra time.

Considering the high number of payment requests, it has to be automated. The info will be mandatory after a while, please don't leave it for the last minute.



This will be a one time upload, you don't have to do it each time you request payment. The information will be kept confidential and not available to anyone but site admins.


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Bertrandb
157 posts
Message posted at 10/16/2007, 04:18:34 AM by Bertrandb
I don't mind. But I was under the impression, especially from reading the forum, that fraud was more a problem with unscrupulous downloaders, not uploaders... Correct me if I'm wrong...
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Dreamzdesigner
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 04:35:57 AM by Dreamzdesigner
Sounds like I have to apply my PP soon :) don't know whether DT accept my ID card or not. because it is not in English.


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Achilles
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 05:37:01 AM by Achilles - member is an admin
If you reside in a non English country, we will accept your country's ID, obviously. If you have a passport, than it would be preferrable to upload a copy of it.

And fraud attempts come from all areas, not only from buyers.


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Jonnyreb
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 06:50:26 AM by Jonnyreb
Where do we upload this, or are we not supposed to yet? Gabe


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Saorsa
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 07:16:15 AM by Saorsa
I am somewhat concerned about uploading official documents to the internet



Can DT offer some assurance in terms of security that we will not need to worry about identity theft?
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Endostock
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Message edited at 10/16/2007, 07:20:25 AM by Endostock

Originally posted by Saorsa:
Quoted Message: I am somewhat concerned about uploading official documents to the internet



Can DT offer some assurance in terms of security that we will not need to worry about identity theft?




good point !!



as A uploader I nead "extra measure of security and fraud prevention" as well
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Wysiwygfoto
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 07:29:11 AM by Wysiwygfoto
Serban, I'm running my business through a limited liability company. Should I upload a copy of formation documents (or provide a link to them at the government office where they are filed) since it is its own legal entity? Payments are being made to the entity (WYSIWYG Foto, LLC), not to myself.



Thanks.


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Photawa
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 07:57:13 AM by Photawa
I feel that in asking this request, you are making us contributers open to identity theft, which has become a very serious and wide-spread crime.



Last year, in the US alone, there were 9.3 million victims of identity theft. For anyone who doesn't understand what happens when you become a victim of identity theft, I suggest you do some research, and do all you can to protect yourself. Lobby the banks, businesses, government, etc. for better protection and harsher penalties for the criminals.



No other agency, or any business, has ever requested that I upload such an important document over the Internet, and I don't think it's appropriate.


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Wysiwygfoto
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 08:09:05 AM by Wysiwygfoto
Photawa - there are other micros that request this same info. This isn't anything unusual.



One of the many reasons I formed a company for my photo business was to protect myself in the case of identity theft (I don't have to give my social security number - the business has its own federal identification number, usually formation documents serve as identification, etc.)



It may be an option for you depending on cost and where you live.


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Madartists
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 08:19:09 AM by Madartists
I also agree it is not appropriate.



You're requesting people who work with images to upload a photo id. Well, if they're going to fraud you, seems that doctoring an id would be very easy for just about anyone here to do in just minutes. How are you going to verify these ids?



What is the reasoning behind this and the proposed advantages?



I don't have a passport or driver's license. All I have is a liquor photo id card which I received from my province so that I could go into bars when I was 19. Am I going to have to go through the expense, hassle, and delay of acquiring specific id just so I can continue working with Dreamstime and accessing my funds? And then I have to worry about strangers accessing the information?



I would just like to see some reasoning behind this, not just a simple announcement..... and then maybe I'll understand.









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Charon
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Message edited at 10/16/2007, 08:49:14 AM by Charon
It is great if DT could provide security login because we have our moneys here. This may slow the system but is a necessary improvement.


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Joseppi
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 09:20:35 AM by Joseppi
So will there be an email from support with details of were to upload the ID scan?



Also, having just gotten a passport, with all the homeland security procedures and "watch lists" etc., there is no way I'd upload my passport anywhere. Something happend where it leaked out, and they'd probably have me in Gitmo... Maybe the driver's licence or photo library card...



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Bobwyo
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 09:29:15 AM by Bobwyo
Serban,



You know I don't often question DT policy, but I must make a statement on this one.



This does seem to be an unusual request (just because other agencies require it doesn't legitimize it).



Say I upload a very critical piece of identification to DT so I can be paid next time.



What happens when I get paid? I click the button that requests a check be sent to me. What value is the ID on file at DT? Will you require that I send a foto of myself when I request payment so you can verify that it's me? I understand the requirement for ID for model releases, just to protect DT, but I can't see why it's necessary to have an official document on file for a contributor. How will this help avoid fraud?



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Paulus
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Message edited at 10/16/2007, 09:40:33 AM by Paulus
I, too, would like assurances as to the measures DT are going to protect this ID upload...particularly if the system is going to be 'automated'.



How is an automated system going to check my request for payment against a jpeg of my driving license? Surely, it could check a 4 digit pin as easily - and we could input this every time we upload or ask for payment.



You might suggest that my login is part of this security, but if this is hacked, then whoever logs in can still request payment under my login and change my bank details to his/hers online to get cash into their pockets.



Elements of Dreamstime's Privacy Policy are a little worrying under this new rule:



1. "we cannot fully ensure that your personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties".



2. "no data transmission over the Internet is 100% secure from intrusion".



3. "It is also possible that third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications."



It also states that DT's employees who misuse our data would be subject to DT's own disciplinary procedures. I would like to know if these are simply a wagged finger, or a full dismissal or criminal procedings.



I'm not saying that DT are doing anything bad; I think that there are laws by which DT must abide in order to trade and I'm sure this is part of that, but I'd like to be assured that the infrastructure is in place to support this compulsory action.



However, I still don't see how a machine at Dreamstime HQ is going to validate my request for payment against a JPEG on record against the real me at the end of my computer in England....more securely and more foolproof than a unique PIN Number.



Dreamstime is a great place to work, rest and play, but it's not worth losing my ID over. And I don't mind losing the few bucks amassed (!) so far to protect my salary, family and way of life.



Just my two penneth worth!


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Madartists
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 09:31:18 AM by Madartists
lol... look at it this way - if you end up in Gitmo you'd have some interesting new images to upload.



I'm just wondering if all the options have been explored before putting this move in place.



And I second the question about an email from support with details on uploading.

Where? When? How?








Originally posted by Joseppi:
Quoted Message: So will there be an email from support with details of were to upload the ID scan?



Also, having just gotten a passport, with all the homeland security procedures and "watch lists" etc., there is no way I'd upload my passport anywhere. Something happend where it leaked out, and they'd probably have me in Gitmo... Maybe the driver's licence or photo library card...



Joe
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Kenneystudios
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Message edited at 10/16/2007, 10:00:59 AM by Kenneystudios

Originally posted by Photawa:
Quoted Message: I feel that in asking this request, you are making us contributers open to identity theft, which has become a very serious and wide-spread crime.



Last year, in the US alone, there were 9.3 million victims of identity theft. For anyone who doesn't understand what happens when you become a victim of identity theft, I suggest you do some research, and do all you can to protect yourself. Lobby the banks, businesses, government, etc. for better protection and harsher penalties for the criminals.



No other agency, or any business, has ever requested that I upload such an important document over the Internet, and I don't think it's appropriate.




There are multiple agencies out there, including stock and art sites as well as auction sites, that require buyers and/or sellers alike to provide proper identification. Think of it from the business perspective, and you will understand why Dreamstime is requiring photo identification. What if someone could get on here and purchase a bunch of images under YOUR NAME without an ID? If they then used those images illegally, it could come back to you. Similar situations can apply for contributors as well. What if someone stole images from another person and was on here uploading them under a fake name? I certainly wouldn't want to be caught in that kind of situation.
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Kenneystudios
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 10:04:45 AM by Kenneystudios
[quote]



Elements of Dreamstime's Privacy Policy are a little worrying under this new rule:



1. "we cannot fully ensure that your personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties".



2. "no data transmission over the Internet is 100% secure from intrusion".



3. "It is also possible that third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications."



quote]



If you read through any agency's or online business' "fine print", you will find this sort of information. The internet is NOT 100% safe ANYWHERE. Not even online banks. If a burglar wants to get into your house, he will find a way. If a hacker wants to get into something, he will find a way. Nothing is 100% safe.



I don't understand why everyone is so defensive about uploading identification. Honestly, if a real hacker wanted to steal your identity through Dreamstime, a photo ID on file is just a perk. A true hacker that really wanted your identity would be able to trace and locate you without the ID (the fact that you login here from your personal computer can give a determined hacker access to anything about you).

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Kenneystudios
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 10:08:45 AM by Kenneystudios
Achilles, Could you please describe in detail just how this would work, and why Dreamstime is requesting this information? Also, an explanation of how this will protect both buyers and contributors would be greatly appreciated by many. Thanks!




Originally posted by Achilles:
Quoted Message: As an extra measure of security and fraud prevention, photographers will be required to upload a copy of a photo ID (only one of the following: ID card, passport, driving license).



All future contributors will be required to have one on file before uploading images and all previous contributors will be required to upload one before requesting a payment.

For contributors who have already received payments from us, this will not be drastically enforced in the beginning as we realize this will require an extra time.

Considering the high number of payment requests, it has to be automated. The info will be mandatory after a while, please don't leave it for the last minute.



This will be a one time upload, you don't have to do it each time you request payment. The information will be kept confidential and not available to anyone but site admins.
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Paulagent
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Message posted at 10/16/2007, 10:11:10 AM by Paulagent
I think Paulus has a very valid option, i would rather use a unique PIN number than upload a copy of my drivers licence or whatever.
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