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A question for all of you web designers out there?

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Seagrave
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Message posted at 02/05/2005, 11:15:03 AM by Seagrave
What is your opinion on Adobe Go Live? I am not a web designer so I don't know how to code. I need a web publishing program that does a lot of that for me. I only want to learn what I have to. From what I understand a lot of servers don't except frontpage extentions. I have worked with it though and thought it was ok. Thank you for any replies.
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Puentes
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Message posted at 02/05/2005, 12:19:18 PM by Puentes
Julie, nothing beats Dreamweaver MX from Macromedia and you don't have to learn any code. You can work on web pages using 'code', 'design' or 'code/design' views. In your case you would just stick with the 'design' view. I use it almost 8 hours a day and it's my bread and water, I use to code web pages in Notepad for years, and even after switching to Dreamweaver I would just use the 'code' view, but after I while I started using the design view and that's mainly what I use. I still go back to the code when using style sheets and scripts but there is no need to do it.



I recommend it with my eyes closed and everyone that has switched to it swears by it. It's what the pros use and there are many reasons behind it. One of them is that you can copy and paste from programs like Word and Excel directly into Dreamweaver and it preserves all the fonts, colors, and css styles. Besides that it comes with Fireworks and it provides easy integration with Flash. You are an illustrator so you can really put this features to use in the feature and animate a lot of your work.



Whatever you decide, I can give you my IM name and give you a helping hand, no matter which way you go.



BTW a free 30 day trial is available at http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/. I am sure that there's one for GoLive as well.



Good luck :)
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Shecodes
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Message posted at 02/05/2005, 13:56:26 PM by Shecodes
I don't use Dreamweaver at all.



I hand code. :)



Seriously, I do mostly Content Management Systems (CMS) and build sites using it instead.



Everything is in a database with the execption of your graphic files.



ExpressionEngine is the name of the system.
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Puentes
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Message posted at 02/05/2005, 14:43:47 PM by Puentes
I used to love just using Notepad but after our site grew into a couple of thousand pages and I was asked to change several things on each single page, I immediately switched to MX...thank god for templates. These new tools do make things easier :)
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Webking
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Message edited at 02/05/2005, 17:02:00 PM by Webking
There are several good options.



1. Dreamweaver is an excellent program - There is also an addon called Contributor Which Allows For Easy Site Edits For Those Who Don't Know Coding. It will also protect the layout.



2. GoLive is also good, But I prefer Dreamweaver.



3. Most Servers Have Frontpage Extensions



I am a partner in a Web Hosting and Design Company, for us we installed several apps that help people edit and maintain their own site.



Some fo the apps That we have and are common among other web hosting companies are:



1. SiteXpress or Similar online site editors

2. ContentXpress - Allow for easy site edits and good for large sites

3. Sitebuilder - Like SiteXpress but not as Robust

4. Netbuilder - Online Databse Creation Tool.

5. DBXpress - Easy Database Templates

6. PHP, ASP and Frontpage Support



All of this is accessed from a control panel.



For sites that are large, like yours I would recommend looking into Mambo, it is a portal app that allows for easy site edits, menus, adding pages, etc.



Although Dreamweaver is a great app, but for editing 1000 page sites you will need some sort of content Management like Mambo, PHPnuke, Contentxpress, etc. They are fuly customizable and can be custom programmed. They are Modular based, so you can add funtions to the site like shopping carts, addressbooks, Galleries, etc. by uploading a Component (like a plugin).



Mambo, PHPnuke and other are open Source. There are a lot of developers so if you run into problems its easy to find help. I prefer Mambo, but they all pretty much do the same thing.



Site I am working for a dentist.



Example of Mambo in Action



Outside of the above the following are must haves for web designers in my opinion.



1. Dreamweaver MX

2. Fireworks MX

3. Flash MX

4. Photoshop

5. Ultra-edit - Like a Notepad But For Coding



I have tried Adobe GoLive, but after using Dreamweaver for a number of years I found it hard to adjust to the different layout. Dreamweaver also have a alrge assortment of Plugins avaialble for download from Dreamweaver Exchange. Same For Fireworks and Flash MX.
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Neddog
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Message posted at 02/12/2005, 20:46:26 PM by Neddog

Originally posted by Puentes:
Quoted Message: I used to love just using Notepad but after our site grew into a couple of thousand pages and I was asked to change several things on each single page, I immediately switched to MX...thank god for templates. These new tools do make things easier :)




That is the beauty of using CSS, Puentes. :)
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Sapsiwai
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Message edited at 02/12/2005, 23:24:27 PM by Sapsiwai
A combination of Photoshop and Dreamweaver.



Make a full page template in Photoshop. Use slice tool. Then use "Save for web" option. Open the saved template in Dreamweaver. Fine tune.
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Seagrave
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Message posted at 02/13/2005, 01:06:09 AM by Seagrave
I think I will consider DW. I'm sure Adobe is good but I here more about DW. I really appreciate the feedback. It would make me cringe to go spend money for a program to find out I don't like it because as you know it can't be returned. It it is also good to get one that has a lot of resources out there.



Thanks so much guys and gals;)
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Inspireme
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Message edited at 02/13/2005, 08:29:00 AM by Inspireme
I have dreamweaver, I use it becuase I have it.



I find myself in code mode most of the time, so personally I would be just as happy using a free html editor (hundreds of excellent free html editors are around)



Worst 5 things with dreamweaver :

1) you cannot open multiple files from the open dialogue, you need to open them individually

2) the inbuilt ftp is rubbish

3) No "find" just a poorly designed find and replace option

4) you cannot find and replace over multiple open documents ( you have the option but it wont work... for me anyway)

5) It adds stupid code, which is just not needed.



Dont get me wrong, its a good programme, but i dont think its that much better than the many freeware programmes if you dont have a need for the WYSIWYG part.



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Sapsiwai
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Message posted at 02/13/2005, 06:31:59 AM by Sapsiwai
In that case perhaps you could consider a very good web builder from Australia - 1st Page 2000 available at http://www.evrsoft.com.



It has loads of prebuilt scripts etc and on top of that its free.



Australia has got very good free or cheap alternatives to costly softwares.
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Shecodes
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Message posted at 02/13/2005, 13:03:16 PM by Shecodes
I use a program called UltraEdit as my editing program, and another program called WebDrive that allows me to edit files "live", appearing to map an internet drive to a drive on my harddrive.



So one of my sites pmachinehowto.com is my h: drive. :)



That, and using ExpressionEngine to separate content from design -- I have little to change if I need a new design. There are NO static pages, everything is in a database.
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Webking
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Message edited at 02/14/2005, 11:06:46 AM by Webking
If I was to choose 2 programs I use the most it would Dreamweaver MX and Fireworks MX.



Than Comes:



Photoshop

Flash

Ultra Edit



There is a good Magazine Called Practical Web Design. This months issue comes with a DVD with several free HTML Editors. Including a Trial Version of Dreamweaver MX.



There are a lot of programs available. Download soke of the trial versions and try them out.







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Message posted at 02/14/2005, 17:05:33 PM by Webyourbusiness

Originally posted by Puentes:
Quoted Message: Julie, nothing beats Dreamweaver MX from Macromedia and you don't have to learn any code.




at what? producing unwieldy, non-W3C compliance HTML - sure, it's the best!



At producing lean, search engine friendly HTML code? nope... use Golive and "fix" the HTML in a few minor ways... you'll win in the end...
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Fb-guy
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Message posted at 03/05/2005, 09:52:26 AM by Fb-guy
This is a big vote for dreamweaver. I started from scratch with no experience, and it brought me along from novice to intermediate. If your site(s) are going to grow and become more sophisticated, you can do anything with it.



One note on Fireworks. If you care about getting indexed by the search engines, Fireworks creates inefficient code, and I had to re-write my rollovers and navigation in css. I jumped up in the engines after dropping the Fireworks generated javascript rollovers.



James


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Bizarzoo
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Message posted at 03/09/2005, 00:46:09 AM by Bizarzoo
My votes for Dreamweaver MX from Macromedia
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Lavanya
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Message posted at 03/09/2005, 01:25:14 AM by Lavanya
Dreamweaver MX is very good. i use this as i have been using the program from a long time and i find it very pro and user friendly.

good for beginners too.

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Achilles
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Message posted at 03/09/2005, 01:34:04 AM by Achilles - member is an admin

Originally posted by Inspireme:
Quoted Message:

1) you cannot open multiple files from the open dialogue, you need to open them individually



Matthew open the folder in Explorer, select the files you wish to edit, right click /open with Dreamweaver. I agree with your other statements (and this one too:) )



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Inspireme
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Message posted at 03/09/2005, 07:30:35 AM by Inspireme
serban, I tried that but it only opened the first one still. An update is availabel so i will download the latest version and see if it works then!



I can see why macromedia did it like this - they do have a panel down the side for quick opening any file you want to work with but it requires you set up a site profile, sometimes you just need to make a quick change to a couple of files...



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Fleyeing
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Message posted at 09/13/2005, 13:13:39 PM by Fleyeing
It actually depends on what the site is for. I used to handcode, and Notepad is still my favorite tool ;-). But... I don't want to reinvent the wheel any more. For time-organized sites (like blogs or photoblogs) there is Wordpress. For non-time organized content there is Mambo. And for photo galleries, well there is Coppermine. All open source projects and they are great and easy to install and get up running.



And if you feel like coding (everybody is human), you can tweak the PHP, the CSS and the HTML of these packages quite well. I never felt the urge for Flash on _any_ site. It only slows the site down, and the thing I love most is the "skip intro" button. Although, the "daily zeitgeist" on Flickr is neat. Nowadays, I'd rather spend time taking pix than drown myself in some PHP and fall asleep on my chair at 4am ;-)



The bottomline is, reuse code or modify it if it's open source.
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Ichtor
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Message posted at 09/14/2005, 13:57:17 PM by Ichtor
I use Dreamweaver. Even though I use Photoshop, Illustrator and Acrobat from Adobe (and I think they are the coolest programs out there), I've never used GoLive. However, since Adobe has purchased Macromedia I'm expecting a merger between GoLive and Dreamweaver. Will that bring together the best of both worlds? Let's hope so.
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