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NIKON D60 vs D300

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Moutwtrng
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Message edited at 03/17/2008, 09:44:31 AM by Moutwtrng
I finally got one of these babies and I gotta say I am very impressed! Here are my observations:



Noise control is better from ISO 100-400 than my Nikon D300. At ISO 800-1600 they are about the same but anything higher than ISO 1600 the D300 blows the D60 away. (This is probably all thanks to the EXspeed chip)



The D60's saturation is almost the same as the D300's but the D300 takes the cake (although I dont really crank up the D300's saturation all the way because the colors just looks too unreal if you do)



The D60 which I am happy to say also exposes shadow highlights better than my old D40x and D80 but not better than my D300. Both the D300 and the D60 suffers the same amount of noise when the active D-lighting is turned on.



Everything else like build quality, focus tracking, customizeability, cont. shooting, ergonomics ect, ect... the D300 wins it. Also if you shoot sports, night and alot of moving subjects the D300 is the camera is for you. But for me, I dont shoot sports and I shoot in mostly controlled environments. And what I care about is the picture quality only, the D60 suits my needs. I am now currently selling my D300 as I dont need it anymore as my D60 produces as good and if not even better quality pics than my D300. The money I make off my D300 would go to pay for better lenses and better lighting equiptment which IMHO is where the investment should go anyway instead of a new camera body.





(Pictures that were used in comparison were all shot in SRGBa RAW format, NR was set to off)



Oh and this is my 100th post!!!!! YAY!
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 03/31/2008, 07:17:29 AM by Sensovision
hi Moutwtrng, and thank you for posting this comparison. As although I wouldn't have money for camera in near future I was choosing between Pentax k200d and Nikon D60, but once I saw samlpe photos of D60 on dcresource, I was amazed with it's picture quality.

Didn't found any reviews of it so appreciate for your comparison with D300 as if it's came as good as this camera than I'll have peace of mind buying it :)



BTW can you tell whenever you miss live display function?(I'm asking never used or even keep in hands dSLRs and viewfinder on my camera broke long ago so I can hardly remember how it to shot without LCD)?
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Moutwtrng
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Message edited at 03/31/2008, 09:41:12 AM by Moutwtrng
I dont really find any use or miss the live view function on my D300 at all. For me it is really useless as the mirror has to flip down to focus and while theres another liveview function called the tripod mode where the mirror does not flip down but uses a contrast based AF, it takes ages for it to focus. Live view is best used for static stubjects and IMO is still underdeveloped. Also did I mention that it sucks battery life like theres no tommorow.



The things I miss from the D300 are the excellent light meter and the minute conveniences cause you can change alota setting w/o even taking your eye off the viewfinder.



One noteworthy thing with the D60 that the D300 doesnt have is the excellent rangefinder option for manual focus it is very accurate and I think it is even better than the D3's!
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 04/01/2008, 06:15:22 AM by Sensovision
Thanks for reply! Good to hear you doesn't fine LiveView as must have feature after trying it, guess I'll also get used to shot through viewfinder of course as long as I find money to buy this camera :) And yes I was going to use mostly for static objects e.g. during closeup sessions.



BTW what about D60 battery life, can you estimate how long you can work on one battery?
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Moutwtrng
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Message edited at 04/01/2008, 09:01:31 AM by Moutwtrng
Battery life is amazingly long like my old D40x and a little bit less if your using a VR lens but still significantly longer than my old D80 and D300. Also believe me that once you use the viewfinder and start getting used to it, you wont really care about live view that much!
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 04/02/2008, 11:48:54 AM by Sensovision
Thanks Moutwtrng! BTW how do you like 18 - 55 mm VR lens from kit or you didn't tried them?
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Hotduckz
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Message posted at 04/02/2008, 14:21:49 PM by Hotduckz
I want D300, I used D40X for events and it too slowwwwwww. :P





Hi, Sensovistion!! All Nikon's 18-55 was the best kit lens in the world!!



Believe me!! or read my profile!! :)
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Moutwtrng
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Message posted at 04/02/2008, 19:09:01 PM by Moutwtrng

Originally posted by Sensovision:
Quoted Message: Thanks Moutwtrng! BTW how do you like 18 - 55 mm VR lens from kit or you didn't tried them?




The 18-55VR kit lens is pretty awsome! Very very sharp around the center, it even exceeds the 12mp resolution of the D300 as some reviews indicate. I found that even the 18-55 non vr lens is very nice as well. This is actually my second 18-55 VR. I bought one for my D300 when I had it and then sold it along w/ my D300 and then got one again w/ my D60 kit. I still have the 18-55 VR but I never used it as I have the 16-85mm VR. I am actually selling my 18-55mm VR that came with the kit.
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Moutwtrng
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Message posted at 04/02/2008, 19:16:27 PM by Moutwtrng

Originally posted by Hotduckz:
Quoted Message: I want D300, I used D40X for events and it too slowwwwwww. :P





Hi, Sensovistion!! All Nikon's 18-55 was the best kit lens in the world!!



Believe me!! or read my profile!! :)




unfortunately it is very true, but if you get used to going through the menu then you could cut the time to do the right settings but then again its still not as fast as a D300. It just all comes down to what you generally shoot.



Yes, I do agree that it is the best kit lens in the world!
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 04/03/2008, 19:58:40 PM by Sensovision
Thank you for replies Hotduckz and Moutwtrng! Now I just need to sell about thousand images and would be able to try these lens and camera myself ;)



BTW Wonder do you find VR lens really helps to use slower shutter speeds, if so maybe you can give some rough estimation of how many stops you gain using them comparing to non VR? (I'm asking as my P&S got anti shake built in and I've got used to it very much, so don't actually remember how behave cameras without it, and I'm not sure I would be able to afford VR lens so maybe go for usual ones).
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Moutwtrng
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Message posted at 04/04/2008, 08:05:14 AM by Moutwtrng
Nikon claims atleast 4f stops but it really depends on the situation also the nikon VR has panning detection compared to other manufacturers which gives them the advantage right now. One thing you have to know about VR, IS, OS ect... is that it doesnt freeze action it only stops your shaking hand.



Some P&S cameras claim to have vibration reduction but in truth they dont. What they do is just boost up the ISO to stop the motion which results in crappy pics.
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 04/04/2008, 09:48:58 AM by Sensovision
Thanks for response!




Originally posted by :
Quoted Message: Nikon claims atleast 4f stops but it really depends on the situation also the nikon VR has panning detection compared to other manufacturers which gives them the advantage right now. One thing you have to know about VR, IS, OS ect... is that it doesnt freeze action it only stops your shaking hand.


yeah, I'm fully understand exposition conception, most of times I'm using manual mode on camera as it's easier to get desired result this way especially when using manual external flash.

As for VR, IS technologies I'm interested in it to lower effect from shacking hands.



[quote]Some P&S cameras claim to have vibration reduction but in truth they dont. What they do is just boost up the ISO to stop the motion which results in crappy pics.[/quote]

My KM Dimage Z3 have AntiShake(shifting sensor technology) which was one of the first P&S cameras to implement such technology, as for IS I don't' use anything higher ISO50 as photos become too noisy.



Would you mind to answer one more question about lens, as I've never worked with dSLRs and it's hard to determine which lens would be good for my tasks.

Can you tell how well kit lens are suitable for close-up or macro photography, maybe you can show some photos in gallery which made with 18-55 or 16-85mm lens?
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Moutwtrng
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Message posted at 04/05/2008, 10:05:18 AM by Moutwtrng
This should be more than enough resources for you check these places for the reviews on lenses and or cameras:

here

here

here

here

here

here
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Sensovision
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Message posted at 04/05/2008, 12:35:55 PM by Sensovision
Thank you very much, Moutwtrng!

Didn't know about any of these resources, will have good read once finish my project. Your help is appreciated!

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Doninny
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Message posted at 04/17/2008, 08:16:00 AM by Doninny
I have a D50 now and I love it, but, am upgrading very soon. I am at a toss up between the D80 and the D60. I will be getting them body only so that I can utilize the extra lens that I have now. I shoot manly with the telephoto 300 lens.



I love the way the 80 feels. Heavy, beefy and sure. Will be checking out the 60 today and my camera shop ran out of the 60 and expects a shipment today.



I am looking for opinions on those that have used the 60 and the 80. Since reading this review of the 60 I seem to be moving into that direction, but, I will see how it feels in my hands. I passed up some really outstanding cameras for the D50 simply because I liked the way it felt when I held it.



Thanks for the review on the D60. I was also told that the 80 is a semi pro model while the 60 is a hobbyist camera. Any truth to that?

Don
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Moutwtrng
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Message posted at 04/19/2008, 09:11:27 AM by Moutwtrng
I've had a Nikon D80 and it is a very nice camera. I dont think the D80 is a pro camera at all, as a D200/D300 is a semi-pro while the pro ones are the D2x and D3. The D80 maybe more like an advanced hobyist camera. But who cares about the distinctions anyway! The more important thing is how the image quality fares and the rest follows IMO. The D60's images are better than my D80 as the WB is more accurate and noise control is better. But if you are looking for comfort the D80 is a way more comfortable camera. Anyway, whichever way you go, you cant go wrong.



If you are really leaning on the D80 Id go ahead and wait for the replacement as it is due anytime soon. God bless!
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Synthetic
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Message posted at 06/02/2008, 01:15:49 AM by Synthetic
I have been using a D40 for past 7 months and currently upgrading to a used D200. With the introduction of the D300... many D200 users are dumping their D200's and upgrading to D300's so D200's prices have dropped a bit on used market... now is good time to upgrade if you have been thinking about it.



I considered the D60 previous to going the route of the D200. I do like its features and it is attractively priced but... it's only a minor step up from the D40x according to reviews in Pop Photo. They have taken the D40x model and improved upon it in almost every aspect... but only so much.



After I seen the drop in prices for used D200's... I forgot the idea of the D60. I wanted to get a more sophisticated metering system and AF system and with a little more speed. It all depends on what you need sometimes as to what model best suits you I think.
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Doninny
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Message posted at 06/02/2008, 11:06:54 AM by Doninny
Well I just got back from a camera shop that just happened to have a D200 and a D300 there. I really like the D200, it felt good when I was holding it, the picture was WOW, it had a stigma(?) lens on it.



I am waiting for the Stimulus check and the D200 is going to become part of the household.
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Synthetic
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Message posted at 06/02/2008, 15:46:05 PM by Synthetic

Originally posted by Doninny:
Quoted Message: Well I just got back from a camera shop that just happened to have a D200 and a D300 there. I really like the D200, it felt good when I was holding it, the picture was WOW, it had a stigma(?) lens on it.




That was probably a Sigma lens. Never had one but I here good things about them.



I liked the D40 but even with my small hands... it felt a little too small at times. I also like to use a leather wrist strap vs. the neck strap and have to pull hand half out of the strap in order to work the shutter release button, exposure or info buttons. So I think the D200 will probably feel better to me as well. I need to try one with the wrist strap to know for sure though as I have only held one that was strapless.
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Doninny
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Message posted at 07/26/2008, 13:47:29 PM by Doninny
I got neither of what I was looking for. My wife surprised me with a D300 for Fathers Day and I love it. Only problem was that it took a CF card and without reading the box I bought a four gig sd card, which I will now use in my D50.
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