Crop Factor, can ruin sales.

Hi, I would like to share something with DT which I guess will be very useful for everyone on DT, I don't know if this subject is already covered, if yes, sorry for my ignorance, but anyways I'm continuing to write this at least newbies might get benefited.

Well recently I was doing a freelance project for two of client and we are searching images in DT, my client liked so many images here on DT, but was it his bad luck or the contributors bad luck, the client and his creative manager rejected 80 images out of 100 selected in the light box. The reason the image is excellent, but BAD CROPPING, even I dint notice it while creating the light box. The client wanted around 40 portrait image and he settled down for just 5 out of the selected 20. Its huge loss for the DT Community. So i suggest contributors to take special care while cropping the image, leave the freedom to the designer to crop out the image as per his requirement. I know we crop the images so it look good and perfect, but what is good for us is not good for buyers, so please take spacial care and leave enough room around the subject. Do always think what the buyer is looking for. And remember the bottom line, WHAT IS GOOD FOR US MAY NOT BE GOOD FOR BUYERS AND DESIGNER, after all we are here in DT to sell images not showcase our creativity.

Hope this helps

Well here are two image my client was eager to buy, and finally had to reject for poor cropping.

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January 29, 2011

Countedsorrow2

Hi, I usually put things like that in the image description.
ie Uncropped image available, or image availble also in xyz format.

Good point.

December 26, 2008

Mpimageart

thanks for sharing this information with us :)

December 20, 2008

Creativei

Well I almost forgot about this blog so do DT users, was suprised to see this pop up on the homepage of DT blog under HOT TOPIC

November 21, 2008

Thayyilani

I have read an article somewhere (not in DT) about croping. 90% of portrait images are useless because of bad croping.

November 21, 2008

Creativei

yes Neomania, I agree with your point, Well photographers should consider the print media when you upload images in DT, and I request DT to consider little bit of room around the subject, especially portraits. We need room and freedom play around.

November 20, 2008

Neomania

to all the photographers. I think you know how to crop an image well so it fits in the frame, but have you ever heared of bleeding? You cant' crop an image so close that there is no more flesh left. An image cropped on all 4 edges isn't that easy to place in a layout. And designers (the good ones) are able to crop an image by themselves. But with croppings like this, they are forced to place the pictures only at one certain position. For example you can't use both pictures on a full page spread, because the ratio is different than a "normal" page size.

November 20, 2008

Creativei

Hi, thanks for all the comments, it seems very interesting subject, so I have started a new thread, Close cropping good or bad Lets share our views it might really help someone

November 20, 2008

Creativei

Dear Forgiss,
I agree with your view, well im a photgrapher myself and like to close crop so it looks better and catchy, but I never knew it was catch for me only, from designers point of view and creative managers we have a set plan for each project, ultimatelly the buyers are king.

November 20, 2008

Creativei

Hi Amilevin,
You have point there, if we cant upload seprate images we can atleast a leave a note that fuller image is avilable on demand, DT should allow us to tag this option, could be an idea, readers please lets share your thoughts.

November 20, 2008

Creativei

Hi Lvnel,
I was expecting this comment from you, yes I do agree that your image has sold and downloaded many times, I dont say that, And we really didnt have time to contact you for differnt shot, or may be i wasnt aware of this. Anyways lets see where it takes.

November 20, 2008

Forgiss

We always shoot wider shots as well, not as tightly cropped, but it's very rare that DT or any agency for that matter will accept both.

If you look at the images you presented, the African woman's image is eye catching and dynamic because it's cropped close. I am willing to bet that you wouldn't have taken a second look at it if there was space all round. You would have been worried about how far the hair goes back, or the "flying elbow"

This is the biggest problem with microstock, we need to supply images for a range of clients and potential products without a brief, but get hammered by the agencies for uploading too similiar images... unfortunately, that is what the client wants... catch-22

So we need to upload the images that gets attention.

November 20, 2008

Amilevin

how bout uploading 2 versions? one cropped and the other doesn't?

November 20, 2008

Lvnel

Very sad to know that my image of an African woman was rejected. As a designer, I appreciate both fuller frame images and close-ups. However, as a photographer, I prefer to shoot closer, tighter crops. There are varieties on this image with more open frame, however, DT most of the times accepts the " most successful" in their opinion, execution of the image, and the rest gets rejected for similarity. I respect the Reviewers decisions in this regard, as they know the buyers better.

What most of the interested buyers did up to date, is contact me with requests for images from the same shoots.

Once again, sorry for disappointing your client.

I don't agree, however, that crop factor can ruin sales. This particular image has been sold over 500 times since June 2008 and published in magazines locally and internationally. So somebody must have liked it enough to buy.

November 20, 2008

Neomania

Designers against visual amputation! We need more bleed!
DT instead should reject Photos that are cropped too close. This is stock material and designers don't have the time to retouch the missing parts. A lot of motives I couldn't use were cropped too close. And there was no obvious artistic reason.

November 20, 2008

Cmarshall717

Regarding Jacetan comment, I don't think it is so much DT rejects because of too much open space. I think it is that when you do allow all that extra space, it makes the image a little awkward and so we get the "bad composition" rejection. It is kind of a catch-22 situation. If you crop so that it would pass review, it may pass, but lose sale because of the crop.

November 20, 2008

Creativei

Hi Jacetan, This is news to me that DT rejects images with more whitespace. Heloo DT admins, is there a rule like this, I just need to clarify so next time I upload I dont want my images to rejected on this grounds.

November 20, 2008

Jacetan

as a designer, i agree with this. However, when i submit my pictures as a photographer, DT rejects pictures with too much open spaces and says that its bad composition.

My small input.

November 20, 2008

Creativei

O agree with you Southernstar, but do you think in this deadlines people will really have time to get back to the photographers, anyways next time I will suggest this to clients, might be useful.

November 20, 2008

Southernstar71

I certainly see your point here, but at the same time you can probably ask the photographers if they have a non-cropped version that they can put online. Probably some of them have it, but did not submit it to DT because it did not look as good and thus they were afraid it would get rejected...

November 20, 2008

Creativei

This is not the first time I have encountered this issue, so many times we had reject our selection after those images couldn't be fit into our projects.

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