Max 20 keywords?

I am getting crazy when it comes to keywording. So I try to KISS (keep it simple stupid :)))

Now I am experimenting with giving not more than 20 keywords to each photos. It helps focusing on the most relevant points.

This image contains lots of keywords, but the search when it was actually sold was really simple (budapest, food, dinner, market, meat, outdoor, hungary). So now it seems, that with 7 keywords I would have achieved the same result, without the fancy others.

(now it has: aroma barbecue barbeque bbq beef budapest celebration christmas cooking december delicious dinner eat eating fat festive food fragrance fried fry frying gourmet holiday hot hungary lunch market meal meat outdoor pan pork roast roasted roasting sausage seasonal smoke smokey tasty unhealthy xmas)

What do you think? You prefer to

* put in as many keywords as possible (so gather all possible hits?)

* or to adopt the idea of focusing only on the most relevant meanings and layers of your pics (and therefore losing some possible hit, but the remaining will be maybe more to the point, and converted into sales?)

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May 06, 2010

Bramble100

It may be harmful, if it lessens the relevancy of each keywords.

April 30, 2010

Joezachs

The point is, is it harmful if we add more keywords?

April 10, 2010

Bramble100

So the game is 6:4 to MORE now:)).

But as I see the thoughts behind (which rhyme to my observations when my pics were sold) I tend now to limit myself to 20 keywords too (in some cases 30). Yeah that's pity, that keywords can't be updated later).

April 09, 2010

Rosedarc

I think it depends on the image itself, some need more keywords than others, but generally speaking it's probably not a good idea to overdo it as it will dilute the search. It's good that we can update our keywords after the images are accepted as it allows us to add forgotten words and take out unnecessary ones.
On my pictures, I find that search words used by buyers are usually simple and descriptive.

April 09, 2010

Dehooks

I think it would be beneficial if everybody was limited to 20 keywords. Otherwise, I would use as many as needed.

April 09, 2010

Bramble100

@Bradcalkins: Thx! (I suspected, but wasn't sure... :-)

April 08, 2010

Bradcalkins

Oh by the way, who knows what does exactly mean when the keywords are larger than each other, when you are at a pictures' page? They can be ranked by sales, or number of files, or how much searched after, or other ... :))

See this thread: Keyword size

The size refers to the number of images in the database with that keyword...not how often they are searched on.

April 08, 2010

Dan1

I have 2 pics. One with 22 (best seller) the other with 14. I like to put as many that i can think of.

April 08, 2010

Mani33

I don't count them! I just put what I think is related!

April 08, 2010

Bradcalkins

I'm a less is more type of guy :) I have few images with more than 20 keywords... I think that being exclusive or not makes a difference in how you should keyword. As a non exclusive it is tough to snag first page of results placement for common search terms. I would think that more keywords help non-exclusives more...

April 08, 2010

Bramble100

Oh by the way, who knows what does exactly mean when the keywords are larger than each other, when you are at a pictures' page? They can be ranked by sales, or number of files, or how much searched after, or other ... :))

April 08, 2010

Bramble100

@Tan510jomast: Very interesting!

Actually we are on the giving side of the desk and not on the receiving (I mean the pictures, not the money :))).
Most of us can't think like the buyer, we are all photographers.

Only 7: I reckon it a bit restricting, but now I try to keep it under 20 (okay, sometimes 25).

When I search a picture I always use simple words. No fancy, sophisticated expressions. But I am not native English nor a buyer, so I don't know how the rest of the world type the search :)

April 08, 2010

Tan510jomast

That is exactly what I've been thinking since Easter. Ha!ha!, my brain was dead, and on Easter Day it was resurrected, lol.
Seriously, I know one person who is a top seller with another site who insists on less is more. As a newbie , I tended to put lots of keywords, because once again .. at yet another site(s), they say "use as many keywords , the more , the better your chances of selling".
Now , after two years of dabbling in micro stock, I am beginning to think that was a very bad advice .
You are right, 10-15 most relevant keywords will definitely sell more than 40 keywords that will get you lots of views but little or no downloads.
In fact, I know yet another top seller who insist ONLY 7 KEYWORDS.
Now, that's really someone who knows the right keywords to use.

And no, she won't tell me her secret of how she chooses the 7 keywords, lol. But I am working my a&r$ off on figuring out her secret :)

April 08, 2010

Bramble100

Well, the first results for MORE vs FEWER: 5:0 to MORE.

Seems very definite, thx to all! (but keep on "voting" I'm curious!)

April 08, 2010

smartview27

More keywords

April 08, 2010

Robertosch

More... because the search is better like this... no matter what they say. I use to experiment a few times, and it is.

April 08, 2010

Trottola

I do prefere more keywords too.

April 08, 2010

Antoinettew

I also prefer more keywords. If a buyer would use the combination of roasted beef your image could turn up and be sold. You never know....!

April 08, 2010

Meryll

I prefer more keywords - you never know the keyword or combination which is going to be used to find your picture...

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