Whitespace that should not be white

Much talk has been about whitespace or copyspace in images - designers prefer it and photographers like to emphasize their subjects with it.

HOWEVER

Whitespace should not be white. Why? Because if it is white, it is just empty. Empty space that makes the file (look) big, but in reality only makes the designers pay more for nothing. If you isolate your shots, then you should crop tightly around it, making the image as big as actual information in the image and not more. It seriously is not fun to pay for XXL size, if the usable image in it is only worth Medium credits.

Reviewers take it into account as well, but it is really the education for contributors, in order to avoid ill rejections.

If there is an uniform tone in the background, we advise to treat it the same as white, since any uniform background is relatively easy to extend to either direction if needed. If the background is complicated though, or on a gradient tone, including this extra space might be justified, but only to the extent of the actual frame of the camera.

Otherwise it is plain cheating, and cheating is not nice, you know ;)

Search for "copyspace" resulted in 94,000+ images and the majority of them are over white backgrounds. Most of them have moderate excess space, but there are some extreme examples as well.

Photo credits: Yuri_arcurs.

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Photosthai

Thank you for your information ,My files has received comment by DT inspector about your topic,

Upwardway38

All of the "lessons learned" advice on your site is extremely useful. Thanks for passing it on...

Jarihin

That was new situation for me. I sell same isolated photos also from the stock where customer can bye only one size original file. Price and size is there always same.

Sorry my bad english, I hope you understand :)

Rolmat

How would one handle a situation like this where the contributor (me) is trying to follow the rules but can't?

Easy, as always you'll just need to plan ahead. If you intend to shoot an image over white, just keep in mind that any unreasonable white space should be cropped out. Needless to say that you will end up with the main subject below the original size of your camera capabilies. So, just zoom it up so that it fills your frame space as much as possible.

Demonike

We are trying on our end to deliver to our clients what is advertised. If we say our minimum file is 3MP, then we make sure the buyers get their 3MP. If you isolate an object, then it should be cropped closely around the boundaries of the object, in order to not make the designers pay for empty space. There are always exceptions though - if the image is useful and it is on the borderline of minimum MP when properly cropped, we allow for some white area just to make it into the minimum. Always try to compose these objects in such a way, that they will fill most of the frame (diagonally, in this case), and/or get as close as you can. And yes there are many examples in the database, where this rule has not been enforced, some of those are older images and some have slipped through or are too good otherwise, to be nagged about ;)

Kelpfish

Hello,

I've tried to follow DT's white space rules but when I crop certain images they're too small for your site to accept even though it was shot with a 11 MP camera. I have one in the queue now of an isolated cigarette on white. It is full resolution when I crop it but overall it's a simple image with little data to make the file large enough. I've tried to upload the cropped version but it gets rejected. It's file 18298657 to be exact.

How would one handle a situation like this where the contributor (me) is trying to follow the rules but can't?

Anhong

I have to trim my photo friends. Haha, not too much space!

Dahuang1231

Thank you for advice!

Miele

Thank you for advice!

Infotrontof

Good to know .. thanks!

Joezachs

Learning is a never ending process.
The blog as well as the comments by others has increased my knowledge.

Almaterra

Lovely photos!

Alionaz

I was impressed with your portfolio!

Rebeccaosborn

i never copped onto this.. thanks for pointing it out - rebecca

Demonike

The rule of thirds does not apply to objects isolated on white (uniform) backgrounds. It only makes the file dimensionally bigger and that is its sole purpose. We do not look forward to files being made artificially bigger by adding "hoax" spaces to the sides. There is no composition on white, since the canvas can extend to infinity in any direction - if the buyer is a designer, she/he can see the final composition in the mind. That is the whole point of isolating objects - to be able to move them around in a number of ways and not depend on the position of the "included space".

Sutashiku

Sometimes white on the right or left of the object is part of the track, just to observe the rule of thirds and if remove the space on the right or left - and the object is suddenly in the middle that is not good in terms of the composition

If a designer really like the picture, he'll buy it anyway

Demonike

Anna, it would be nice, and useful, if you cleared this up then. Please?

Aardlumens

Whitespace is not even the same thing as copyspace. People use these terms interchangeably and also keyword their photos with them, when they're simply two very different things. This advice is good, but it didn't clear up the point I just made.

Onime

Thank you for the info, Good advice.

Waxart

I have just had several images accepted with gray backgrounds, which -, in the light of this thread, surprises me, as I usually take a lot of trouble isolating the subject against pure white, either in studio or in post-processing. Just for research, I tried removing my subjects from their gray backgrounds (produced in camera, not in Photoshop) and found it much harder.

Laurasinelle

Good advice, we learn something new eveyday. thanks for the info, I will follow that!

Themalni

Great information, thank you for sharing it with us, as for a beginner like me (in stock photography) every piece of useful information equals to gold! =D

Picstudio

Great informative blog.

Thanatonautii

Wonderful blog! Thanks for advice!

Imdan

Nine times out of ten, white is NOT really "white," but some variation of white.

As a designer, I'd much rather the photographer shoot on against a white or other neutral color (gray or black) than shoot against a color (red, green or blue, etc.) background.

Fleyeing

Very useful as to sales potential. May I add that "copyspace" also can be applied to models holding boards, screens etc... that are pure white and where the designer can poke anything in easily. Those copyspaces can't be cropped of course.

350jb

I think the overuse of dead white space, or "isolated objects" is one of the reasons many designers look down on microstock. However,if your image background is even close to white (light grey or a slight beige, say) the image will be rejected as "incorrect colour balance". As such, I try to always shoot on a background that cannot be mistaken in this way. I think as microstock evolves, maybe the reviewers make a little more sophisticated choice with these kind of images. Sometimes a very slight dot in the background helps an image sit on a page.

Rolmat

Extremely useful advices, Kutt. Please let me add that along with the negative effect amongst buyers, it also affects members acceptance ratio in a way that ccould be easily avoided. And that applies to all kind of imagery, not only photos... :)

Damithri

This is a refreshing point of view, which I agree with. I have read a few photography blogs where they say they have included a lot of the colour white because "this is what sells on microstock".

Demonike

Yes, the rules have tightened substantially. Although the people are not recognizable in that photo (I remember painstakingly making sure of it), it might get refused today. But this is off topic :)

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