There had been a good discussion in another thread about watermark on images, where it is not almost visible. As mixed within another important subject I've decided to start a new thread for this. You comments are most welcome :)
So watermark .... There are many images, where watermark fails to appear or is almost invisible. Do we encourage for the image so lightly protected to be stolen? If so, what could be done about it?
I can contribute frames like this bellow, where some better watermark would be desirable.
I think the trade-off is acceptable. I would rather my images not be ruined by an obtrusive watermark and risk the occasional pirate who wants to steal a small thumbnail image with a watermark in it. Seriously, if someone wants an image, its also easy to rip one of your images off by copying an un-watermarked image from a site that has legally purchased one. The example above isn't representative of a lot of the images that are sold. It is simply a frame border with mostly white space. A more noticeable watermark in this case wouldn't detract from the image at all. But put that same watermark in the middle of a photograph with detail throughout the frame, and you can't tell what you're looking at.
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I think because of the discussion of Pinterest they might be more prone to hear us. Also, we should scrutinize the web and fill DT with DMCAs with watermarked images, let them know what is happening out there, that will justify the investment on a better watermark.
I think a watermark is always removable, unless you make it too powerful. Then it will effect the taste of the thumbnail and sales. Maybe some %100 previews and a low quality thumbnail with a weak watermark might be useful.
...another idea is a dynamic watermark on the %100 preview.
Teabum's example is an extreme one and a skilled retoucher can always remove the watermark, wherever you place it. The only way is to put a watermark on every plane, which is impossible and ineffective.
I'm sure if I try hard, I can create some advanced actions to "auto-remove" the watermark...the watermark power is important, but you can never stop a thief. If he wants to steal, he will find a way around.
Dudau: I agree with you on 99% :) I know, my image is extreme example and it's nothing against the whole database. I've started this thread to move the watermark issue away from pinterest thread for one reason and also to see, how many people might have images, which could benefit from a watermark specific for very light backgrounds.
Generally, I like DT watermarking and I think, it's much better than many others in the industry. Though, as showing on my example, I also believe, there is a space for improvement on images like mine, which looks more like a freebie than a watermarked image.
Certainly a second watermark design with darker futures could be easy to create and implement, that could be used for images like mine. Perhaps it could be done in the selection process, where person approving the image could tic a box "Dark Watermark" ..... as they see, what the image is about.
It's not about boxing image in some distracting grid of lines and logos, but giving a chance to say ... "I belong to DT" like the others ... to the images, which fall under label "extreme case" like mine :)
Afagundes: Two watermarks could be enough. One dark, one light. Perhaps could be changing dynamically according the percentage of bgr color or so ...
Parkinsonsniper: Skilled retoucher will always remove watermark to a usable degree. And overpowering watermark is not good for sales and I don's see much sense in it either. Though, I'm sure there is more images like in the example, that would benefit from a darker watermark.
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Dudau I completely agree with you, our watermark is good, we just need to improve for some images like the two examples here where its not apropriate, please, read Teabum sugestion above, I think that should be enough, also I think it should be automatically chosen and that its quite easy to do such an algorithm.
PS: Teabum, in that airplane frame, there is a "dreamstime.com" logo visible in the lower right corner, over the frame. We also regenerated your first post's image, you can see the new one is more visible.
Dudau: New watermark looks good. It's pretty much, what I had in mind. Is it going to regenerate for all images or just to be applied to lighter ones?
Adpower99: You never should give up trying. My philosophy is, that people often listen, if you give them well reasoned idea, which does improve things ... and in the right time ;) Not saying it's because of my thread as it was woven in many other discussion and many great minds already commented on the subject ... it's just you should never give up, if you believe something to be right :)